Trump team fully embraces RFK Jr.'s vaccine skepticism

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04 Nov 2024, 3:16 pm

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Thiomersal is used in vaccines as an anti-bacterial/anti-microbrial ingredient. Bacteria growth often spoil unprotected vaccines, especially when they are not refrigerated properly. Without this ingredient, the vaccines would have a much shorter usable shelf life, even if they are properly stored in a cold environment. Since vaccines cost money to make, it would cost a lot more to be constantly producing vaccines without the preservative than to add it in to batches.

There is another piece to this. It will be critical to be delivered on time during cold transport, as there is less leeway on usable time. If you do not stabilize the vaccine, there will likely be shortages in supply to places further out from the production plant. That is even true here in the U.S.A., whether we realize it or not.



Thank you for proving my point, thimerosal is used because it is cheaper for the makers. Profits and $$$ over safety and health. According to this reasoning I should be more concerned about their profits of than my own safety and health. I should never demand transparency and accountability from from the drug companies and healthcare system as a whole I guess. I should blindly believe that these entities only have altruistic beliefs and humanities best interest as their guide, even when reality constantly shows this to not be true.

I notice everyone keeps avoiding the potential risks from usage of aluminum salts as an adjuvant. Why?



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04 Nov 2024, 11:47 pm

ShwaggyD wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
Thiomersal is used in vaccines as an anti-bacterial/anti-microbrial ingredient. Bacteria growth often spoil unprotected vaccines, especially when they are not refrigerated properly. Without this ingredient, the vaccines would have a much shorter usable shelf life, even if they are properly stored in a cold environment. Since vaccines cost money to make, it would cost a lot more to be constantly producing vaccines without the preservative than to add it in to batches.

There is another piece to this. It will be critical to be delivered on time during cold transport, as there is less leeway on usable time. If you do not stabilize the vaccine, there will likely be shortages in supply to places further out from the production plant. That is even true here in the U.S.A., whether we realize it or not.



Thank you for proving my point, thimerosal is used because it is cheaper for the makers. Profits and $$$ over safety and health. According to this reasoning I should be more concerned about their profits of than my own safety and health. I should never demand transparency and accountability from from the drug companies and healthcare system as a whole I guess. I should blindly believe that these entities only have altruistic beliefs and humanities best interest as their guide, even when reality constantly shows this to not be true.

I notice everyone keeps avoiding the potential risks from usage of aluminum salts as an adjuvant. Why?


The makers of vaccines are running a business to make money. They are not in it to lose money. If they made vaccines that spoiled before they could sell them, they would lose money. Longer shelf life means a higher chance that it will get sold while it is still useful. Drug companies employ chemists to make their drugs/vaccines so it goes full circle. This funds advances in science, so not all things are bad.

I am not avoiding discussing aluminum salts. They can have potentially toxic issues in developing individuals. Aluminum absorption has been studied as a possible cause for neurological degradations in older individuals. The use of aluminum cooking ware (pots, pans, utensils and covering sheets) are sources of human consumption. As one cooks with aluminum, acids in foods can slowly react with the metal and form compounds that go into the food. Some foods are so acidic (or basic) that they will dissolve aluminum foil covering them over time and form aluminum salts in the process. I rarely use aluminum in my cooking ware due to these issues. Vaccines have very little aluminum salts in them compared to potential food sources cooked in aluminum.

If you are old enough, there was an old 1980s episode of Mr. Wizard’ World that was on aluminum chemistry. He showed why one should never use oven cleaner (strong base) on aluminum foil. It reacts in an exothermic reaction that gets very hot, hot enough to start a fire. It starts out slowly because aluminum has a protective oxide covering it that has to be overcome before the virgin metal can be reacted with. The reason why it is not shown much anymore is that people have used that knowledge to make things that they should not make. I will leave it at that.



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05 Nov 2024, 9:29 am

Can we please let's not keep calling it 'skepticism'?

I mean, if someone gets caught with his hand in the till and claims he wasn't stealing, we wouldn't say he was being 'skeptical' about it, would we.



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05 Nov 2024, 7:11 pm

I got two covid vaccines and a covid booster about three years ago. All the microchips should have turned me into a cool cyborg with super powers by now.



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Yesterday, 12:27 am

When Americans start dying off in droves - especially children - because of a vaccine ban, that will be the legacy history remembers Trump and RFK Jr for.


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Yesterday, 4:17 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
When Americans start dying off in droves - especially children - because of a vaccine ban, that will be the legacy history remembers Trump and RFK Jr for.


It won’t be a ban on all vaccines because that is a lot of bureaucracy to work around.

This will end when other countries start issuing bans on travel to and from the United States. How many lives will be lost and messed up unnecessarily before that happens?


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Yesterday, 8:09 pm

RFK Jr.: ‘We’re not gonna take vaccines away from anybody’

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Anti-vaccine activist and former presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who’s been promised a prominent health care role by President-elect Donald Trump in his administration, sought to allay concerns Wednesday that he would seek to halt vaccinations.

“We’re not going to take vaccines away from anybody,” he told NPR in an interview this morning after Trump’s overnight victory. He repeated the message a few hours later in an interview with MSNBC.

Instead, Kennedy said he wants to improve the science of vaccine safety, which he said “has huge deficits in it,” so Americans can have all the right information to choose whether to get vaccinated.

“I’m going to make sure scientific safety studies and efficacy are out there, and people can make individual assessments about whether that product is going to be good for them,” he told MSNBC.

Kennedy has made false claims about the safety and efficacy of vaccines, alleging they have caused an increase in autism, but he told MSNBC he’s “never been anti-vaccine.”

Why it matters: The former presidential candidate, who dropped out this summer and endorsed Trump, revealed more of what Trump has promised him.

“President Trump has given me three instructions: He wants the corruption and the conflicts out of the regulatory agencies; he wants to return the agencies to the gold standard, empirically-based, evidence-based agents in medicine that they were once famous for; and he wants to end the chronic disease epidemic with measurable impacts on a diminishment of chronic disease within two years,” Kennedy told NPR.

That could mean firing federal workers, such as those at the Food and Drug Administration’s nutrition division, “that are inept, that are not doing their job,” he told MSNBC.

“They’re not protecting our kids. Why do we have Froot Loops in this country that have 18 or 19 ingredients, and you go to Canada, and it’s got two or three?” Kennedy asked, referencing the cereal made by Michigan-based WK Kellogg Co.

He also said the Trump administration would recommend against fluoride in drinking water. Many water systems in the U.S. have added the chemical to drinking water for decades to fight cavities, but Kennedy claims “it’s almost certainly” causing neurological development issues and loss of IQ in children.

He pointed to a recent ruling by an Obama-appointed judge in California, who concluded that a “preponderance of the evidence” showed that fluoridation at 0.7 milligrams per liter, the level considered optimal in the U.S., poses unreasonable risk of reducing children’s IQ.

In that lawsuit, EPA experts argued that while fluoride can be hazardous at certain concentrations, the relationship between dosage and health risk at lower exposure is unclear.

However, the judge recommended the EPA regulate fluoride in drinking water.

“I think fluoride is on the way out because of that court decision. I think the faster that it goes out, the better,” Kennedy told MSNBC.

He also said fluoride is included in toothpaste and thus not needed in drinking water to prevent cavities and pointed out that Austria and Germany don’t add the chemical to water and have “either the same or lower cavity issues” as the U.S.

What’s next?
Kennedy told NPR that he and Trump have not decided whether Trump would name him to a Senate-confirmed position “but that is a possibility.”

He has previously said that Trump promised him control of some federal agencies, including the Health and Human Services and Agriculture departments.


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