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07 Nov 2024, 1:52 am

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The election is over . . . time to start planning for the next one . . . if there is a next one . . .


Have every conservative politician arrested for hate crimes, hate speech, bullying, cyberbullying, etc.


good luck...sorry it would be nice but who is going to arrest them if the police are also involved in hate speech, bullying and cyberbullying....who are you going to go to? the cops?


Examples:

Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA): "Jewish space lasers", bullying former congresswoman Marie Newman (who has a trans daughter)

Lauren Boebert (R-CO): Bullied Ilhan Omar in an elevator, implying that Omar (a Somalia-born Muslim) had a bomb in her backpack.

Jim Banks (R-IN): misgendered Rachel Levine on Twitter (pre-Musk)

JD Vance: Accused Haitian immigrants of eating dogs and cats

Donald Trump: Nearly everything he has ever said.

Tom Woods (R-OK): After Nex Benedict (a non-binary teen) committed suicide, he responded with "Oklahoma is a Christian state, and we don't want that kind of filth here".

Ryan Walters (R-OK): Put the policies in place that led to Benedict's suicide.

Clay Higgins (R-LA): Active member of the Oath Keepers

Mark Robinson (R-NC): Praised Hitler (on a porn site), many cases of anti-LGBTQ hate speech

Pete Ricketts (R-NE): Racist remarks about blacks in wake of the George Floyd protests.

Greg Gianforte (R-MT): Body slammed a Jewish reporter

Sid Miller (R-TX): Referred to Hillary Clinton as the C-Word in a tweet

Steve King (R-IA, no longer in office): "I don't see how the term 'white supremacy' is offensive."

Todd Akin (R-MO, deceased): "If it's a legitimate rape, the body can shut itself down"

Matt Bevin (R-KY, no longer in office): "These girls weren't raped, both their hymens are intact"--in justifying a last minute pardon of a child rapist who donated to his campaign.


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07 Nov 2024, 8:15 am

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If you voted wrong, its ok....we can still help to fight fasicism, I didn't even want to get out of bed today, but I had to because you know what america still needs people who care we can't just lie down and die idk we have to stand up somehow and if you feel you made some wrong choices well everyone does, doesn't mean you cant own it and stand up still. I voted for Jill Stien when it was hillary against trump, and yeah I think i made a stupid chioce then lol I recall agreeing with my boyfriends parents about that election and they seemed to agree with that point, but I was also I was afraid to reveal I was one of the idiots who voted for her back then.

IDk it's not all over yet, you can still stand for what you believe in.


I voted for HARRIS. I just took way too long to realize "s**t, this guy's a nazi" and really start hammering people about drumpf's atrocities.

For the record, that emotional vomit reflects more than a tinge of hope.



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07 Nov 2024, 8:20 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
Fnord wrote:
The election is over . . . time to start planning for the next one . . . if there is a next one . . .


Have every conservative politician arrested for hate crimes, hate speech, bullying, cyberbullying, etc.


You are overgeneralizing to a ridiculous extent. This kind of stuff feeds fascism.



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07 Nov 2024, 9:46 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
Examples:

Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA): "Jewish space lasers", bullying former congresswoman Marie Newman (who has a trans daughter)

Lauren Boebert (R-CO): Bullied Ilhan Omar in an elevator, implying that Omar (a Somalia-born Muslim) had a bomb in her backpack.

Jim Banks (R-IN): misgendered Rachel Levine on Twitter (pre-Musk)

JD Vance: Accused Haitian immigrants of eating dogs and cats

Donald Trump: Nearly everything he has ever said.

Tom Woods (R-OK): After Nex Benedict (a non-binary teen) committed suicide, he responded with "Oklahoma is a Christian state, and we don't want that kind of filth here".

Ryan Walters (R-OK): Put the policies in place that led to Benedict's suicide.

Clay Higgins (R-LA): Active member of the Oath Keepers

Mark Robinson (R-NC): Praised Hitler (on a porn site), many cases of anti-LGBTQ hate speech

Pete Ricketts (R-NE): Racist remarks about blacks in wake of the George Floyd protests.

Greg Gianforte (R-MT): Body slammed a Jewish reporter

Sid Miller (R-TX): Referred to Hillary Clinton as the C-Word in a tweet

Steve King (R-IA, no longer in office): "I don't see how the term 'white supremacy' is offensive."

Todd Akin (R-MO, deceased): "If it's a legitimate rape, the body can shut itself down"

Matt Bevin (R-KY, no longer in office): "These girls weren't raped, both their hymens are intact"--in justifying a last minute pardon of a child rapist who donated to his campaign.


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Okay, I was about to ask, could someone please give me examples of why people are so upset, but please don't act like I already know. You, Tim, are a kind and logical person, so I am glad you are posting actual examples. Let's start here.

I think most conservatives would disavow most of these quotes. I don't think it's fair to say "anything" a person says is problematic. I would need specifics to know what is offensive or upsetting about what Trump has said he will do. This I think is the meat and potatoes here. He is the person who has won the job, what do you guys think is going to happen?

And side note: I was a teacher for Commonwealth Catholic Charities for several years. Haitians DO eat cats and dogs in their own country, AND people who are protected refugees can get temporary legal residency here in the United States. There are a couple of loopholes from there. Refugees can apply for permanent residency, which is not the same as being a citizen. You stay forever, but you can't vote and you don't get social security, some other things. You can then apply to have your family members come over. It's called chain migration. This is how the cat eaters come over. They would be what we would consider the mentally unwell people. An initial refugee who speaks English, is educated and employable comes over and does well. He or she applies to have their whole family come over, but then one of them is his crazy uncle or auntie who prepares home made meals...that happen to be "bush meat." We had it happen here where I live, except it wasn't anything dangerous it was a lady who had a ghost. We could not get her help because there were no funds for it. It's a loophole. And don't bother saying I'm LYING because you don't want to hear it. Old uncle or auntie needs help understanding you can't eat cats here. If you want to help them, go to Ohio and volunteer to help them. They need you and you'd be doing a great thing by helping. And yes, I've seen videos and knew before all this ever happened that Haitians ate cats and dogs it's a known thing.



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07 Nov 2024, 11:56 am

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And side note: I was a teacher for Commonwealth Catholic Charities for several years. Haitians DO eat cats and dogs in their own country, AND people who are protected refugees can get temporary legal residency here in the United States. There are a couple of loopholes from there. Refugees can apply for permanent residency, which is not the same as being a citizen. You stay forever, but you can't vote and you don't get social security, some other things. You can then apply to have your family members come over. It's called chain migration. This is how the cat eaters come over. They would be what we would consider the mentally unwell people. An initial refugee who speaks English, is educated and employable comes over and does well. He or she applies to have their whole family come over, but then one of them is his crazy uncle or auntie who prepares home made meals...that happen to be "bush meat." We had it happen here where I live, except it wasn't anything dangerous it was a lady who had a ghost. We could not get her help because there were no funds for it. It's a loophole. And don't bother saying I'm LYING because you don't want to hear it. Old uncle or auntie needs help understanding you can't eat cats here. If you want to help them, go to Ohio and volunteer to help them. They need you and you'd be doing a great thing by helping. And yes, I've seen videos and knew before all this ever happened that Haitians ate cats and dogs it's a known thing.


This information, regardless of validity, is irrelevant. The crybullies manufactured bogus evidence in an attempt to slander an immigrant population which deserved no such thing.



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07 Nov 2024, 1:59 pm

So these statement are real things creating hate against immigrants ,Is a old time tested method of rallying the indigenous population against a common foe( enemy) ...And appears to work well in the many quoted republicans below
........So something that one might get the impression that these folk have no business in politics in any country .....
But many countries have followed Trumps model .. Of extra fences on their borders .And developed a hate for tourists
( ie. Spain, France) and can you blame them . If the Allied USA countries are behaving the way they are towards other human beings .( eg. Israel ) Why in heavens name would you want them in your country....Hence Americans trying to avoid oppression from their own country are now trapped . And are potentially severely discriminated against . So any normal standard of living for them , in the USA may drop substantially . But any Gov. based on taxes from its people,does not lose extra tax payers..If as a discrimiated against group of people feel the need to leave and cannot afford or know the process to enter or exit a country, The Gov. has lovely fences to keep people in or out .?
And in desperation ,people might have to live in a oppressed lifestyle....under their own gov.

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SocOfAutism wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Examples:

Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA): "Jewish space lasers", bullying former congresswoman Marie Newman (who has a trans daughter)

Lauren Boebert (R-CO): Bullied Ilhan Omar in an elevator, implying that Omar (a Somalia-born Muslim) had a bomb in her backpack.

Jim Banks (R-IN): misgendered Rachel Levine on Twitter (pre-Musk)

JD Vance: Accused Haitian immigrants of eating dogs and cats

Donald Trump: Nearly everything he has ever said.

Tom Woods (R-OK): After Nex Benedict (a non-binary teen) committed suicide, he responded with "Oklahoma is a Christian state, and we don't want that kind of filth here".

Ryan Walters (R-OK): Put the policies in place that led to Benedict's suicide.

Clay Higgins (R-LA): Active member of the Oath Keepers

Mark Robinson (R-NC): Praised Hitler (on a porn site), many cases of anti-LGBTQ hate speech

Pete Ricketts (R-NE): Racist remarks about blacks in wake of the George Floyd protests.

Greg Gianforte (R-MT): Body slammed a Jewish reporter

Sid Miller (R-TX): Referred to Hillary Clinton as the C-Word in a tweet

Steve King (R-IA, no longer in office): "I don't see how the term 'white supremacy' is offensive."

Todd Akin (R-MO, deceased): "If it's a legitimate rape, the body can shut itself down"

Matt Bevin (R-KY, no longer in office): "These girls weren't raped, both their hymens are intact"--in justifying a last minute pardon of a child rapist who donated to his campaign.


THANK YOU

Okay, I was about to ask, could someone please give me examples of why people are so upset, but please don't act like I already know. You, Tim, are a kind and logical person, so I am glad you are posting actual examples. Let's start here.

I think most conservatives would disavow most of these quotes. I don't think it's fair to say "anything" a person says is problematic. I would need specifics to know what is offensive or upsetting about what Trump has said he will do. This I think is the meat and potatoes here. He is the person who has won the job, what do you guys think is going to happen?

And side note: I was a teacher for Commonwealth Catholic Charities for several years. Haitians DO eat cats and dogs in their own country, AND people who are protected refugees can get temporary legal residency here in the United States. There are a couple of loopholes from there. Refugees can apply for permanent residency, which is not the same as being a citizen. You stay forever, but you can't vote and you don't get social security, some other things. You can then apply to have your family members come over. It's called chain migration. This is how the cat eaters come over. They would be what we would consider the mentally unwell people. An initial refugee who speaks English, is educated and employable comes over and does well. He or she applies to have their whole family come over, but then one of them is his crazy uncle or auntie who prepares home made meals...that happen to be "bush meat." We had it happen here where I live, except it wasn't anything dangerous it was a lady who had a ghost. We could not get her help because there were no funds for it. It's a loophole. And don't bother saying I'm LYING because you don't want to hear it. Old uncle or auntie needs help understanding you can't eat cats here. If you want to help them, go to Ohio and volunteer to help them. They need you and you'd be doing a great thing by helping. And yes, I've seen videos and knew before all this ever happened that Haitians ate cats and dogs it's a known thing.


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07 Nov 2024, 6:21 pm

It is not so much the immigrants themselves, especially those with STEM degrees, that are a burden on the economy.

It is mostly the immigrants who enter the country illegally, get hired for cash-only jobs at less than minimum wage, don't pay taxes, rely on loopholes in the welfare system, and default on their medical bills who are burdensome.

What is the ratio between 'good' and 'bad' immigrants, and is there an HONEST assessment of this value?

Personally, I would rather pay minimum wage to day laborers waiting outside of Home Depot and see the job done within a week, than pay ten times that much for a professional contractor to do the same job whenever he decides to do it -- which could take several weeks or a few months to complete.

Having been to some of the countries those 'illegals' are from, and seeing for myself what prompted them to immigrate, I understand their motivations probably better than any Maga member who never left his hometown.


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