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15 Apr 2023, 11:09 am

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You're on exactly 10000 posts my man.

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I don't really know people well enough to give specific examples but I regularly see extremish (mainly left) political views develop in young people who are long term unemployed. Government seizures of property, impractical views on the economy (sums not adding up with UBI for example), being somewhat tyrannical on progressive social ideology. Over time, envy seems to take over and plays an ever increasing role in political views.

It's hard to find people who works 50+ hour weeks who supports compulsory land seizures but it's very common in long term unemployed youth for example.

I suppose those at the bottom of the food chain would tend to become more radicalised. And maybe people with strongly left-wing views would be more resistant to accepting jobs that demanded excessive working hours in the first place.



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16 Apr 2023, 3:27 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
Nades wrote:
You're on exactly 10000 posts my man.

That's a lot of typing.

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I don't really know people well enough to give specific examples but I regularly see extremish (mainly left) political views develop in young people who are long term unemployed. Government seizures of property, impractical views on the economy (sums not adding up with UBI for example), being somewhat tyrannical on progressive social ideology. Over time, envy seems to take over and plays an ever increasing role in political views.

It's hard to find people who works 50+ hour weeks who supports compulsory land seizures but it's very common in long term unemployed youth for example.

I suppose those at the bottom of the food chain would tend to become more radicalised. And maybe people with strongly left-wing views would be more resistant to accepting jobs that demanded excessive working hours in the first place.


I noticed they focus too much on their hobbies and try to awkwardly shoehorn hobbies into the job market when it's usually the worst approach someone can take.

I offered my friend a job in the company I work for. It's not an amazingly fun job and it's a bit grubby but it paid well and she still refused. Now she works as a receptionist at a vets (she loves animals) but she's still complaining about being low on the food chain.



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16 Apr 2023, 9:55 am

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How could UBI even be a thing.if nobody wanted to work to contribute to it?

Robots are a long time away from making any significant changes and what about people who can't be replaced by robots like carpenters and electricians? Should they get significantly more pay because they would be part of an increasingly small number of people who have to work?

A lot of jobs are fairly longish hours by nature too. Blue collar and weirdly banking and advanced medicals seem to be long weeks.


People like me are capable of creating robots to fully automate the workforce. There are people even more talented than I am who already have a fleet of these fully functional robots in secret. We are simply waiting for society to "evolve", releasing the robots now would be a disaster. There would first have to be some kind of UBI platform already in place. Additionally, the fleet of robots would have to replace most jobs sectors at once, if it was done gradually it would be a disaster since there wouldn't be enough UBI being generated by the bots. So the bots would first have to be fine tuned and rigorously tested before deployment.

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I think the work world - as well as ever-lengthening hours - are a kind of arms race where whoever works their employees harder and pays less beats the company who doesn't do those things, especially if all other things are equal.

People want to work not just for being able to pay bills but for status. A lot of people want any excuse they can find to treat anyone whose not them as utterly inferior and social rules in place where they can force that person into being a social foot stool. In that sense people work and try to get higher status jobs not only for having their own roof over their heads or to save up for the kids' college funds but also so they aren't being constantly dominated and ratioed by anyone who feels like they have the status-right to abuse them.

This is also part of why I worry about UBI. If most of us end up on UBI and everyone wants to not only be superior to everyone else but demands that other people acknowledge their 'by birth' superiority and supplicates to them, the social world is probably going to be very abusive and violent, even significantly more so than it is now. I'd also figure the prison population, even in the US where it's already huge, might double or triple.

A truly bold claim.

By my estimation, UBI would reduce the prison population by less than half, most criminals are poor and just doing crimes to pay their rent.



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16 Apr 2023, 11:00 am

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I noticed they focus too much on their hobbies and try to awkwardly shoehorn hobbies into the job market when it's usually the worst approach someone can take.

I offered my friend a job in the company I work for. It's not an amazingly fun job and it's a bit grubby but it paid well and she still refused. Now she works as a receptionist at a vets (she loves animals) but she's still complaining about being low on the food chain.

I guess I'm rather like that myself. I value job satisfaction over pay, as long as the pay is enough to live on with a bit over for a few modest luxuries. I suppose in many people's eyes I settled for less than I might have done, but in my eyes I did the opposite, in terms of my own real preferences rather than the preferences they may have thought I should have. In my last job I stopped going for upgrading because I was wary of additional expectations being laid on me, which I figured could lead to more stress and spoil what job satisfaction I already had. In the job I had before that, it's exactly what happened - I got myself promoted and ended up wishing I hadn't. My father had a similar experience when he was made a foreman. He voluntarily demoted himself back to the shop floor after a few weeks, and never regretted it. Some of us just aren't cut out for certain roles.



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17 Apr 2023, 2:38 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
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I noticed they focus too much on their hobbies and try to awkwardly shoehorn hobbies into the job market when it's usually the worst approach someone can take.

I offered my friend a job in the company I work for. It's not an amazingly fun job and it's a bit grubby but it paid well and she still refused. Now she works as a receptionist at a vets (she loves animals) but she's still complaining about being low on the food chain.

I guess I'm rather like that myself. I value job satisfaction over pay, as long as the pay is enough to live on with a bit over for a few modest luxuries. I suppose in many people's eyes I settled for less than I might have done, but in my eyes I did the opposite, in terms of my own real preferences rather than the preferences they may have thought I should have. In my last job I stopped going for upgrading because I was wary of additional expectations being laid on me, which I figured could lead to more stress and spoil what job satisfaction I already had. In the job I had before that, it's exactly what happened - I got myself promoted and ended up wishing I hadn't. My father had a similar experience when he was made a foreman. He voluntarily demoted himself back to the shop floor after a few weeks, and never regretted it. Some of us just aren't cut out for certain roles.


I think looking for opportunity is more important than looking for exactly what someone wants. You seem to have managed to hit a nice middle ground between the the two but many get it wrong.

That friend I mentioned just fixates on what she wants to do at all cost, even it it means a very low paying job that even she admits doesnt pay anywhere near enough.



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17 Apr 2023, 2:45 am

When I started my career, I wanted only to do technical writing for a corporate research-and-development lab.  That did not work out very well when such jobs went overseas.

By the time I retired, my ideal career had changed to earning maximum income with minimum effort while applying unique skills and esoteric knowledge in multiple engineering disciplines.

(Gach!  :eew: That second paragraph reads like a piece of corporate marketing jargon!)


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18 Apr 2023, 11:25 am

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When I started my career, I wanted only to do technical writing for a corporate research-and-development lab.  That did not work out very well when such jobs went overseas.

By the time I retired, my ideal career had changed to earning maximum income with minimum effort while applying unique skills and esoteric knowledge in multiple engineering disciplines.

(Gach!  :eew: That second paragraph reads like a piece of corporate marketing jargon!)


At the moment that's my idea of a perfect job. I've just been awarded a full tradesman qualification yesterday so it's made work more efficient with pay. The hours still suck though.

I was hoping in the next ten years to wind down and perhaps get a job watering the flowers at the local garden centre or something weird like that. High hour and high stress is only good if you're young.



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18 Apr 2023, 11:35 am

I've got the ideal job - retirement. Paid for doing whatever I want to do.



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18 Apr 2023, 11:38 am

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I've got the ideal job - retirement. Paid for doing whatever I want to do.


I'm hoping to partially retire in ten years time. Retiring has always appealed to me (appeals to everyone) but I'm not waiting until I'm 70.



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18 Apr 2023, 3:58 pm

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I moved heaven and earth to get out as early as was safely possible, which turned out to be 61. As the standard pensionable age had been 65 all my life until recently, I always felt that was a human right, and that something lower would be more civilised. Though it depends what the job is like. Mostly I wanted my life back, and freedom from the stress and other unpleasant aspects of my job. Not that I ever thought it devoid of positive elements, just that the negatives outweighed them. And by general standards, my job was very cushy, though the powers that be were gradually making it worse.



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08 Nov 2024, 7:01 am

I'm a high school teacher, finally not unemployed anymore... but the job is anything but easy.. I will make a post about this job soon or later on this forum, but need to find some time and energy to write more in details....



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08 Nov 2024, 1:44 pm

Usually people just want financial security.

But also jobs are fulfilling in a way. Would be moreso if they didn't drive you into the dirt while getting every scrap of your energy and free time.


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08 Nov 2024, 4:19 pm

The only good thing that has come from working, for me, is having made a couple of friends over the years who I still meet up with in real life.

The rest of my time in employment, I have mostly despised. A bit like a sweaty, long-lasting nightmare from which countless hours were thrown into the experience and which I desperately wanted to end.