The death and destruction oh the USA under DJT

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07 Nov 2024, 11:09 pm

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It's someone else's turn, you must accept that. It's been your turn for the last 4 years, with disastrous results. The economy is in the dumps. People can barely afford housing and food now. It was someone else's turn before yours and it will be your turn again when your candidate wins. Anymore, this seems to be a foreign concept. It will be okay, I promise. For the time being, if you can't focus on anything positive, give it about 6 mos and enjoy your first affordable tank of gas in the last 4 years.

So, I have a PhD in Economics and this is just nuts. Gas is as cheap as it was before Covid. The US is producing more oil than it ever has.

Also, the economy is doing fine. Inflation ended about 18 months ago. Unemployment is low and growth is strong.

Its a fantasy to say its horrible. Inflation went up worldwide due to China shutting down supply networks. Biden had nothing to do with it - in fact US inflation was actually below or at world average so we weren't "special."

Also, if you think the President has anything to do with gas - you are ignorant. There is a world market for oil. We are nothing in terms of producing even if we produce a lot.

If you want cheap gas but produce oil here in the US - its a contradiction because the US produces oil precisely because oil has been above 60-80 a barrel for a while now. US oil is about $60 a barrel to produce whereas Saudi is $7.

Regarding housing - the reason its expensive is because of LOCAL land use restrictions. It is regulation, but it is LOCAL ones. And those regulations are popular with nearly all Americans.

Blaming the Federal government for high housing costs is idiotic.

The fact that many homes are owned by investors, rather than actual residents, shrinks supply and raises prices.

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07 Nov 2024, 11:45 pm

The truth is, the Democratic party could have put forth a better candidate. Joe Biden was not guaranteed a second term, and if they had done what they were supposed to do (allow the people to vote), they might have ended up with a candidate that would have united the country (someone like RFK Jr.). But, they didn't do that. They hung onto Poopy Pants and put Kamala forth without even asking the democratic voters if that's who they wanted. BIG Mistake!

The Democrats have become the party of the elite. They are comprised of the wealthy (the ones who throw you a crumb every now and again) and the poor. I'm just not interested. The numbers don't lie. I could afford life on my own under Trump. I was barely scraping by under Biden.

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07 Nov 2024, 11:54 pm

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I would have preferred AOC.

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08 Nov 2024, 12:15 am

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The Democrats have become the party of the elite. They are comprised of the wealthy (the ones who throw you a crumb every now and again) and the poor.

So you think the guy who filed 6 bankruptcies and Elon Musk are going to fix the economy that by most standards is recovering?
That tariffs aren't going to further wreck US manufacturing?
The rest of the planet are going to have to watch Trump tank your economy further and multiply your national debt.
Well done Putin...a masterful play.

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08 Nov 2024, 12:18 am

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I could afford life on my own under Trump. I was barely scraping by under Biden.

Enjoy the increase in cost of living that comes from the Trump tarriffs. If you're barely scraping by now prepare to starve due to Donnie Shitshimself's idiotic lack of understanding over how economics works.

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08 Nov 2024, 9:17 am

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a candidate that would have united the country (someone like RFK Jr.).

RFK Jr.? That anti-vaxxer? Ugh, no. See also this post of mine.

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08 Nov 2024, 5:01 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:

stratozyck wrote:

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The fact that many homes are owned by investors, rather than actual residents, shrinks supply and raises prices.

No this is not true really. Those investors still have to rent it out to someone. If they can't rent it out because less want to rent, they have to lower rent which would draw people away from buying homes.

Generally, the "rent to mortgage" ratio is pretty stable.

If you want to reduce housing costs, what you want is more housing being built, simple as that. No shifting around who owns the existing stock will do that.

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08 Nov 2024, 10:38 pm

Persephone29 wrote:

...allow your fellow countrymen and women their right to hold a different opinion.

Facts > opinions.
The economy was in the dumps because Trump put it there.
Gas was cheap because nobody was driving during the lockdowns.
Inflation is worldwide.

There is nothing in Project 2025 that will benefit the average American. It's all a plot to tear down Democracy and install a Dictatorship.

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09 Nov 2024, 7:01 am

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	Some spiteful, hateful trolling and offensive commentary about members' beliefs has been removed, and a temporary ban imposed. Clearly the re-election of Trump is a divisive event but this must not result in divisive, aggressive posts here. Ranting is not welcome, and discussion must be orderly and well-mannered if it is to achieve any purpose at all.

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10 Nov 2024, 1:11 pm

Far Right Social Media has Trump Supporters celebrating victory by calling for execution against Liberals and minorities.

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10 Nov 2024, 3:12 pm

https://dnyuz.com/2024/11/08/i-study-gu ... p-winning/

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...Donald Trump has won the presidency, but I don’t believe he will deliver on his promises. Like other self-interested autocrats, his remedies are designed to exploit problems instead of solving them, and he’s surrounded by oligarchs who want to loot the system instead of reforming it. Mass deportation and tariffs are recipes for inflation. Tax cuts and deregulation will exacerbate inequality. America First impulses will fuel global conflict, technological disruption and climate conflagration. ...

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10 Nov 2024, 9:17 pm

I'm betting that within 2 weeks of inauguration we will hear the phrase "It's going to get worse before it gets better" and it just won't get better.

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10 Nov 2024, 10:24 pm

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If he tries to do his agenda he will face heavy push back from Republicans in farm states that rely on Mexican labor.

Not all farm states rely on Mexican labor. The only farms that need ultra-cheap labor are the ones that grow fruit that needs to be picked by hand. Many of these farms are in California, a blue state.

On the other hand, in the corn belt of the Midwest, farming is almost entirely mechanized, and is often done by relatively well-to-do sharecroppers who own their own farm machinery.

I know this because my late parents were absentee landlords of a small farm in Iowa. The work was done by a sharecropper who worked on multiple (at least ten, if I remember correctly) small farms, earning 50% of the crop sale profits from each farm, thus earning quite a bit more money than the owners did.

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Even outside of farming though, I hear that the only reason our economy is getting by, is because we are using immigrants to replace all of the Covid-damaged people who can't work anymore.
Other countries, with much lower immigration, are not faring so well.

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Yesterday, 5:53 pm

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I'm betting that within 2 weeks of inauguration we will hear the phrase "It's going to get worse before it gets better" and it just won't get better.

^^^^^^^^^^Yes..Yes ...this one ^^^^^^

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