After Trump’s win, some women are considering the 4B movemen

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The majority of women in the USA are White, and most White women voted for the criminal. Which I find astounding.



We are humans, and humans ponder. Pondering distinguishes humans from other animal species.

Intrasexual competition between women evolved early among our pre-human ancestors, as did other aspects of human behavior that may not be particularly functional in modern societies. For example, the "fight-or-flight" instinct was useful to our ancestors when threatened by a predator, but is less helpful to modern humans when we're annoyed by an office-mate.

If we can posit, at least somewhat convincingly, that, for example, Nicole Russell's derogatory comments about Kamala Harris, and other women's desires not to see a highly-qualified woman succeed, stemmed from an inherited trait that had its root in pre-human sex, then, perhaps, more female voters will be shamed into voting based on a candidate's actual qualifications. Or, we could just throw our hands in the air, and try to field George Clooney or Brad Pitt as presidential candidates.

“Occam’s razor, or the principle of parsimony, tells us that the simplest, most elegant explanation is usually the one closest to the truth.”

An interesting story about a hypothesis that was disproven: https://scienceandsociety.duke.edu/occa ... .%E2%80%9D



I don't know that men are really that complicated.





Religion evolved early among humans, to keep us in line. Intrasexual competition came to our species earlier, as intrasexual competition occurs among other social animals that have no religion.



Black female voters were also credited with defeating a pedophile Senate candidate in Alabama in 2017.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-co ... men-voters



I think that political ideology had very little to do with it. More voters are going to be harmed than helped by Trump's plans for the future. A lot of voters just thought that Trump was cute.

Still, a smaller percentage of White female voters voted for Trump than White men, so the competition theory doesn’t really hold up. I don’t think we need to speculate with sexist theories as to why women voted for Trump when more reasonable and likely explanations are readily available. We also don’t need to call out female voters, specifically, when they aren’t the only group who voted for Trump. As has already been stated, a higher percentage of men voted for him in each age bracket or racial category.


The political and religious landscape in America IS complex. That’s true no matter a person’s gender.


I’ve never encountered a person who thought Trump was cute, and most people I know who vote voted for him. It mostly came down to their allegiance to the Republican Party due to its stance on issues related to religion, abortion, and economics - that’s true regardless of gender. People who are not strongly aligned to the Republican Party but voted for him anyway largely seemed to think he’d be good for the economy.

I think that it would’ve been beneficial if the switch from Biden to Harris would’ve happened sooner because some folks’ minds were already made up by that point. Many people were very unhappy with Biden’s presidency. Of course, when people are unhappy with a Democrat, they are ready for a Republican and vice versa. That doesn’t change the fact that sexism and racism was involved in Trump’s campaign and among voters. Sexism (and often racism on some level) is built into the Republican Party although it’s not always recognized as such.

The competition theory would only apply to female Trump voters. Other theories would apply to male Trump voters. I don't have any grand theory worked out, but there is this:

https://www.glamour.com/story/why-did-y ... nald-trump



I don't think that the Harris campaign was explicitly anti-man. Many Trump supporters might have accused the Harris campaign of being explicitly anti-man, but I think that was projection more than anything.



We don't need to do anything, but we can speculate all we wish. Women and men do behave differently, and may have different core reasons for voting as they do. So far, I've cited two female authors who felt that men were motivated to vote for Trump because the Harris campaign was anti-male. I don't think that the Harris campaign was "anti-male"--maybe just not masculinist enough for some tastes.



I'm American, and I favor the principle of parsimony.



I don't think that you will encounter anyone who is going to SAY that Trump is cute. But,

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... trump-cute






So, actually it ISN'T complex? If it came down to the Republican Party's stance on things like religion, abortion, etc., then Mike Pence would have won the nomination. Not Donald Trump.



Only because of what the Fox Noise Machine told them.



I think that everyone recognizes the sexism. People disagree on whether the sexism is good or bad.

Men and women aren’t as different with their political outlooks as you appear to be claiming although it is true that female voters were more likely to vote for Harris and are more liberal overall. Based on people’s own stated, political opinions, it seems like men and women, in general, voted for Trump for similar reasons, though. Many of your arguments in this thread have a distinctly sexist flavor to them - George Clooney/Brad Pitt, high-heeled shoes, Trump being cute (ew.), women competing against each other, shaming female voters who voted for Trump, etc. - all in a thread allegedly about a feminist movement centered on pushing back against sexism. At any rate, it’s almost like you’re suggesting that women don’t have strong political or religious ideological views. Obviously, I strongly disagree with those who voted for Trump on many levels, but I don’t think it’s fair or correct to suggest that people who voted for him, in this case women, did so for the reasons you’re suggesting.

It’s too complex and multifaceted to sufficiently address in one post or thread. I will say that Pence doesn’t have a cult following - a cult made up of both men and women.

As I’ve stated before, some people voted for Trump because they think he’ll be good for the economy. His misogynistic behavior, among other things, wasn’t enough of a deterrent for them when they were thinking about supposed financial benefits, not that money isn’t a serious concern for a lot of people. I doubt things will improve in the ways people are hoping.

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There was a convergence towards Trump.



Only slightly, and not enough to make a difference.



I don't quite know what this means.



People's own stated political opinions are often tainted by "social desirability bias"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/ps ... ility-bias



Very few people are going to admit that they just wanted to see a woman brought down. They will be inclined to put a much more socially desirable spin on their stated reasons.



I suspect that if the choice had been between Donald Trump and George Clooney, then many men would have voted for George, too.



That is a form of self-abuse that many women fall for (pun intended).



Many men also find Trump to be cute.



Do women not compete against each other?



Do you think that such voters should not be shamed?



Shaming is a part of modern political strategies.



I'm the one who started this thread. I'm interested in an open, frank discussion. Not just male bashing.



No more so than men.



I don't think that anyone has any real rational reason for voting for Trump. They were just taking in by the con. Women and men for different reasons, possibly.


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Occam's Razor. That's the best that we can hope to do in one post or thread.




Aha! So a lot of voters are NOT voting in their own self interest! And, not only that--voting against their stated stance on religion, abortion, etc. They've simply been duped!