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19 Nov 2024, 12:25 pm

I’d appreciate it if this thread could stay on the topic of Disturbing Passages in Holy Books - citing them and/or discussing them/their ramifications in some capacity - because, considering world events, I think it’s a very important one. I’d especially appreciate it if people could avoid complaints about tone or other ad hominem-ish retorts moving forward because, once again, it takes the thread off-track.



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19 Nov 2024, 1:12 pm



Scientology in a nutshell.


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19 Nov 2024, 1:23 pm

^ :lol:

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Edited to add: On the topic of cults, I just overheard my mom say in her preaching Zoom call: “Don’t question, just obey.” SMH. She said it to a fellow JW. They handwrite proselytizing letters and chat over Zoom while doing so. There’s a cult song they all love with the title: “Listen, Obey, and Be Blessed.” It’s even worse than it sounds.
Similar to CoS - the unforgivable act was to add to or subtract from the word of LRH. If it didn't make sense when read then it was because you'd misunderstood a word or two.
Your fault, and nothing to do with it being mind-numbing twaddle.

It’s scary what can happen when people think that anything should be above scrutiny - above human reason. I was thinking specifically of Ephesians 5:24 “Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.” I knew of at least one instance where a husband told his wife that she had to use corporal punishment on their kids, which is also backed by scripture. Rather than question his (and the Bible’s) authority which she was taught and believed was wrong to do, she engaged in physical abuse even though it went against her natural inclination as a very warm and kind-hearted person.

Fundamentalists like 2 Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness”



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19 Nov 2024, 5:23 pm

TwilightPrincess wrote:
It’s scary what can happen when people think that anything should be above scrutiny - above human reason.
Yep. Quickest descent into barking madness.

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Scientology in a nutshell.
... and absolutely true.

It addresses things that should only be revealed on the upper OT levels.
Apparently, having now seen them, you should be a quivering wreck gnawing your own elbows.

Waddya mean, you're not? :lol:


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19 Nov 2024, 6:19 pm

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Apparently, having now seen them, you should be a quivering wreck gnawing your own elbows.

Waddya mean, you're not? :lol:


Would you settle for gnawing on the middle of my forearm and awkwardly attempting to shove my elbow within range?


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Yesterday, 2:54 pm

^ :lol:



Here’s some especially barbaric passages from Leviticus and Judges that haven’t been mentioned yet.

The endorsement of people being killed in nasty ways:

Leviticus 21:9: “When the daughter of a priest profanes herself through prostitution, she profanes her father; she shall be burned to death.”

Apparently, sometimes God likes to switch things up and burn people alive instead of stone them to death. Perhaps the occasional crucifixion adds some variety as well.

The following are mass rape and carnage scriptures that haven’t been previously alluded to.

Judges 5:30a: “Are they not finding and dividing the spoil? A woman or two for every man”

After an outrageous passage involving the rape and death of a concubine (Judges 19:22-30) which I cited a while back, Israelites from the other tribes won’t allow their daughters to marry men from the Tribe of Benjamin (i.e. Benjaminites). In Judges 20, there is a big battle because the Benjaminites decide not to hand over the guilty men. Most of the Tribe of Benjamin is killed (which was perfectly reasonable /s) - only 600 men remain. Those who survive are obviously in need of new property wives since their own have been slaughtered.

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So the congregation [of Israelites] sent twelve thousand soldiers there [Jabesh-gilead] and commanded them, “Go, put the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead to the sword, including the women and the little ones. [The inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead did not attend a shindig and, in failing to do so, didn’t show concern for the plight of the Benjaminites, so they clearly had to die.] 11 This is what you shall do; every male and every woman who has lain with a male you shall devote to destruction.” 12 And they found among the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man and brought them to the camp at Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan. 13 Then the whole congregation sent word to the Benjaminites who were at the rock of Rimmon and proclaimed peace to them. 14 Benjamin returned at that time, and they gave them the women whom they had saved alive of the women of Jabesh-gilead, but they did not suffice for them”
— Judges 21:10-14


Since “400 young virgins” aren’t enough for 600 men, a comparably reasonable and humane solution is suggested and adopted:
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[Israelite elders] instructed the Benjaminites, saying, “Go and lie in wait in the vineyards 21 and watch; when the young women of Shiloh come out to dance in the dances, then come out of the vineyards and each of you carry off a wife for himself from the young women of Shiloh and go to the land of Benjamin. 22 Then if their fathers or their brothers come to complain to us, we will say to them, ‘Be generous and allow us to have them, because we did not capture in battle a wife for each man. But neither did you incur guilt by giving your daughters to them.’ 23 The Benjaminites did so; they took wives for each of them from the dancers whom they abducted. Then they went and returned to their territory and rebuilt the towns and lived in them”
— Judges 21:20-23



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Yesterday, 4:39 pm

If more people actually knew what was in the Bible, then they would advocate burning it, rather than requiring the study of it in public schools.

Actually, more students would probably appreciate it. I remember the fine times we had when we read the Canterbury Tales in high school.


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Yesterday, 5:31 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Apparently, having now seen them, you should be a quivering wreck gnawing your own elbows.

Waddya mean, you're not? :lol:


Would you settle for gnawing on the middle of my forearm and awkwardly attempting to shove my elbow within range?
Done!
Your dedication is admirable. :cyclopsani:


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Yesterday, 6:05 pm

I saw that the book of Jeremiah was referenced elsewhere which reminded me about when God threatened that disobedient people would have to eat their young in Jeremiah 19:3-9:

“Hear the word of the Lord, you kings of Judah and people of Jerusalem. This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Listen! I am going to bring a disaster on this place that will make the ears of everyone who hears of it tingle. 4 For they have forsaken me and made this a place of foreign gods; they have burned incense in it to gods that neither they nor their ancestors nor the kings of Judah ever knew, and they have filled this place with the blood of the innocent. 5 They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind. 7 “‘In this place I will ruin the plans of Judah and Jerusalem. I will make them fall by the sword before their enemies, at the hands of those who want to kill them, and I will give their carcasses as food to the birds and the wild animals. 8 I will devastate this city and make it an object of horror and scorn; all who pass by will be appalled and will scoff because of all its wounds. 9 I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another’s flesh because their enemies will press the siege so hard against them to destroy them.’”

Moral of this and various other passages of the Old Testament that have already been cited: killing babies and children is only okay if it’s YHWH’s idea. When it involves other gods, it’s really, really bad!