How are autistic people fundamentally different than NTs?
[quote="123autism"]I'm just as human as anyone, whether 'NT' or autistic. Being autistic is - in my view - a subjective medical opinion".
Yes, it deeply bothers me that the DSM defines Autistic People ONLY and entirely by a list of deficits. It totally ignores the big picture - that NTs and AS people have different operating systems, both having positives and negatives.
Make an imaginative leap for a minute: that AS people are the dominant population which assumes the right to "diagnose" neurotypicals" as disordered - for example:
SYPTOMS OF NEUROTYPICAL DISORDER:
An obsession with hierarchy
A compulsive psychological need to repetitive engagement in gossip and small talk
A contempt for any other operating system but their own
A belief that their operating system is naturally superior to other neurotypes
A tendency to belittle neurodifferent people by sigmatising, otherising, patronising, bullying, and gate-keeping
A craving to exert their power by dehumanising attitudes toward those they deem "lesser" humans
A fanatically held belief that their numerical dominance equates with psychological superiority
All neurotypes are humans; humans ARE intensively diverse in many ways. My dominant special interest is music. I believe the human world owes a debt, or at least positive acknowledgement, to AS musicians, conductors, composers, performers over the centuries. For example, while perfect pitch does appear in both AS and NT populations, it is more dominant in AS musicians. Contributions to science and the arts by AS people over the centuries seem to be reguarly "neurotypical washed" and taught as if AS is irrelvant to it, and there is "spurious denial" in the form of belittling AS as too "impairing" to enable such extreme achievement. "Special interest" is rarely linked to exceptional talent, instead often used as a stigmatising terminology. Autistic savantism presents AS savants as freaks, rather than gifted. The same talents in NTs are more likely to be labelled as "exceptional".
Well, that's my rant for the day..... I dream of a world where AS people focus on their strengths and not harmful and demeaning stereotypes imposed by neurotypical distortions.
Fundamentals? Alright. I think there are several layers and overlaps to such aspects.
I'll do my best to slice it thin...
Inherently, in which every life has value? No. Obviously, no as someone who has a right to exists.
Inherently, in each foundation as a human? No. Not by law, not by ethics, not by nature...
Inherently, as a person, with their own stories and circumstances? No. Because everyone is unique.
This is where socioeconomic and cultural divides are. Autism doesn't discriminate.
Inherently, in the contexts of human inclinations including the way they experience things?
Somehow yes. Why? This is where some human commonalities stops.
This is entering what colors neurology, certain labels and as I said, inclinations.
Inherently, around the realms of usefulness and socialization contexts?
Not really, and it can depend on individual and collective priorities.
Inherently, by "language" (not necessarily language ability) input and other sorts that would color their experience as a human?
Likely yes. Because this is where double empathy is supposed to coincide.
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When a NT and an autistic are having an argument and nobody is backing down it's usually beacuse the Nt will not stop until he/she is right and the autistic will not stop until it is right. To me the key difference is what's first priority - yourself and your ego or the truth.
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Whether NT or autistic, I believe those two get conflated together to some extent in those situations, but also that very few people become aware that ego is their primary motive.
There's also another unmentioned motive, the dopamine release associated with winning.
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Certainly it's one of my soapbox themes to berate the fact that people in general aren't interested in the truth, they just want to win the argument. Yet a look at the PPR forum (and certain non-PPR threads I've seen) might suggest that Aspies aren't always a lot better. Assuming the culprits really are Aspies. And I myself feel some motivation towards winning an argument, or at least not losing it or being made out to be stupid. I always feel rather a coward for walking away from a verbal conflict.
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Certainly it's one of my soapbox themes to berate the fact that people in general aren't interested in the truth, they just want to win the argument. Yet a look at the PPR forum (and certain non-PPR threads I've seen) might suggest that Aspies aren't always a lot better. Assuming the culprits really are Aspies. And I myself feel some motivation towards winning an argument, or at least not losing it or being made out to be stupid. I always feel rather a coward for walking away from a verbal conflict.
It seems other autists have also expressed a similar internal stereotype of us in general and it seems quite likely. I know when I was younger I often had a chip on my shoulder about my traits that were considered gifted and often felt very slighted when caught revealing the valleys in my spiky profile.
Of course I wasn't able to conceive of it in such a manner and just felt unfairly humiliated for weaknesses I didn't realize I had being noticed. No, I can't be stupider than these idiots, I'm smart and they're average.
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"Autism As a Disorder of High Intelligence"
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4927579/
"........alleles for autism overlap broadly with alleles for high intelligence, which appears paradoxical given that autism is characterized, overall, by below-average IQ. This paradox can be resolved under the hypothesis that autism etiology commonly involves enhanced, but imbalanced, components of intelligence. This hypothesis is supported by convergent evidence........."
I'm not really sure that's true, both groups do have a tendency at time to fight far longer than things are really worth. I personally back down a lot more as a middle aged adult just because I've come to realize that even if I do win, it tends to be a Pyrrhic victory in that I've still blown a large chunk of energy over something that I may not really even care about, even if I do win.
In terms of folks not backing down, I have a feeling that if it really does get to the point of a proper argument that the amygdala is already hijacked and at that level, typically NTs and NDs don't function that differently as most of the brain outside the brain stem has already been deactivated to deal with the threat.
This whole thing is a large part of why I'm learning breathwork as it's just not practical to be limited to fighting over stupid things or just capitulating the moment it looks like things could get heated.
Where did you find this fact? Most research I have seen doesn't support this.
From what I understand the distribution for intelligence amongst autistic people is as close to an inversion of the bell curve as possible. A peak below average intelligence and another above average intelligence.
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