Trump team fully embraces RFK Jr.'s vaccine skepticism
MatchboxVagabond wrote:
This really isn't helpful for the discussion of vaccines. A bunch of the stuff in there is true, but not relevant to the point you're making, and having RFK JR in health and human services isn't likely to do much to improve the situation when working for somebody that's likely to be pro-business and against regulatoin.
If things stated are true and associated directly with the vaccine industry then they, by logic, must be relevant to the discussion. This thread discusses vaccine skepticism, and these truths are what cause most of the skepticism about vaccines.
I'm not anti vaccine, nor am I pro vaccine. I have done more than enough of my own research to be very skeptical of the vaccine industry though; it is obvious to me that there has and is corruption, greed, and selfish egos driving the whole industry. I have worked in academic research and have seen first hand how easily and often studies and experiments can and are fabricated, manipulated, and even outright faked to support someone's personal agenda. We saw this blatantly and constantly when related with covid; vaccine makers found to have suppressed and fabricated information to support their vaccine push.
ShwaggyD wrote:
MatchboxVagabond wrote:
This really isn't helpful for the discussion of vaccines. A bunch of the stuff in there is true, but not relevant to the point you're making, and having RFK JR in health and human services isn't likely to do much to improve the situation when working for somebody that's likely to be pro-business and against regulatoin.
If things stated are true and associated directly with the vaccine industry then they, by logic, must be relevant to the discussion. This thread discusses vaccine skepticism, and these truths are what cause most of the skepticism about vaccines.
I'm not anti vaccine, nor am I pro vaccine. I have done more than enough of my own research to be very skeptical of the vaccine industry though; it is obvious to me that there has and is corruption, greed, and selfish egos driving the whole industry. I have worked in academic research and have seen first hand how easily and often studies and experiments can and are fabricated, manipulated, and even outright faked to support someone's personal agenda. We saw this blatantly and constantly when related with covid; vaccine makers found to have suppressed and fabricated information to support their vaccine push.
They're not though, and posting a long article like that without adequately calling out what exactly you're talking about it isn't functionally any different from other forms of misinformation. It's something that I've observed a lot of folks doing over the years I've been on the internet. Providing a link, that doesn't properly address the thing the poster is saying, knowing full well that most people won't look that closely to verify if it says what the person linking suggests it means.
There are issues in the industry, but it is extremely clear that the issues are far less than people like you casting doubt on vaccines without doing the necessary work to explain why specific vaccines are worthy of extra criticism when we already have diseases that were mostly on their way out resurging because people are not getting there vaccinations due to the bad science and fearmongering.
MatchboxVagabond wrote:
ShwaggyD wrote:
MatchboxVagabond wrote:
This really isn't helpful for the discussion of vaccines. A bunch of the stuff in there is true, but not relevant to the point you're making, and having RFK JR in health and human services isn't likely to do much to improve the situation when working for somebody that's likely to be pro-business and against regulatoin.
If things stated are true and associated directly with the vaccine industry then they, by logic, must be relevant to the discussion. This thread discusses vaccine skepticism, and these truths are what cause most of the skepticism about vaccines.
I'm not anti vaccine, nor am I pro vaccine. I have done more than enough of my own research to be very skeptical of the vaccine industry though; it is obvious to me that there has and is corruption, greed, and selfish egos driving the whole industry. I have worked in academic research and have seen first hand how easily and often studies and experiments can and are fabricated, manipulated, and even outright faked to support someone's personal agenda. We saw this blatantly and constantly when related with covid; vaccine makers found to have suppressed and fabricated information to support their vaccine push.
They're not though, and posting a long article like that without adequately calling out what exactly you're talking about it isn't functionally any different from other forms of misinformation. It's something that I've observed a lot of folks doing over the years I've been on the internet. Providing a link, that doesn't properly address the thing the poster is saying, knowing full well that most people won't look that closely to verify if it says what the person linking suggests it means.
There are issues in the industry, but it is extremely clear that the issues are far less than people like you casting doubt on vaccines without doing the necessary work to explain why specific vaccines are worthy of extra criticism when we already have diseases that were mostly on their way out resurging because people are not getting there vaccinations due to the bad science and fearmongering.
Ummmm, excuse me. Several people on this site share articles and research exactly as I have; is that all misinformation? If I want to highlight a certain part of something I do that and provide a link to the rest, just like everyone else does. If you actually follow the discussion you will find that I have actually stated in part why I am a SKEPTIC about vaccines and their safety.
I have read hundreds of research articles dealing with the subject aspergers, autism, vaccines, and whatever else interested my mind. I have seen good research, bad research, and even completely made up research being written up and submitted as the truth. Personally I disagree with aspergers being grouped in with autism as I don't view them the same, merely similar. I believe that an aspies neurodivergence is a natural occurrence and part of humanities natural evolution. I believe what science calls severe autism is not a natural occurrence but rather caused by multiple factors working in unison to cause varying neurological issues in the brain.
Do I think vaccines alone cause autism? No, but honest research has repeatedly suggested they are a major factor. When I was born I didn't have to go through the barrage of vaccines the modern child are basically ordered to endure. In todays world these children are being constantly bombarded with toxic elements from multiple sources from conception to death, we all are. GMO foods, pesticides on and absorbed into the foods, toxic elements being seeded into the sky globally for various alleged reasons, fluoridation of many major water sources, and even the air that we breathe are all sources of various toxins that are dangerous to our physical and neurological health.
I say physical health because an important part of our neurological system is based in the stomach region. Very recent research, awaiting peer review, has finally recognized the very reality that autism isn't a brain thing, it is a whole body issue. Vaccines have been shown to not only have toxins perforate the BBB but also have toxins that cause gastrointestinal issues at the same time. Since these toxins aren't actually necessary for the making of the vaccines but are used anyways is a problem for me, I am suspicious of the motives and therefore a skeptic at this time.
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I disagree that Asperger's and autism aren't the same things. I've been diagnosed with Asperger's but my daughter has a less functional form of autism. I have reason to believe both my parents were on the spectrum, which I inherited from them. My daughter is on the spectrum because I am.
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