What was that reason for voting for Trump, again?
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Trump has said he probably won't get grocery prices down, after all. So, my question is: what was the point of voting for him, after all?
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The other stuff.
In the end, they can be proud of sending Trump's enemies to prison for daring to suggest he broke the law, putting blindly loyal incompetents into vulnerable positions of power, and making billionaires richer.
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We'll know more when we see which cabinet picks actually get confirmed.
Democrats have admittedly taken the votes of working class people and minorities for granted, as those groups have always been the bedrock of the Democrat party. That said, I suspect persons in those voting blocs who went Republican will regret their vote when they find the GOP doesn't care about their interests, just their vote.
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We'll know more when we see which cabinet picks actually get confirmed.
Democrats have admittedly taken the votes of working class people and minorities for granted, as those groups have always been the bedrock of the Democrat party. That said, I suspect persons in those voting blocs who went Republican will regret their vote when they find the GOP doesn't care about their interests, just their vote.
They'll regret their vote either way, Harris was palling around with Cheneys. It's not like good governance based on actually delivering positive change for the masses was even an option. Not since the DNC thoroughly squashed Bernie and the progressives.
Until the voting masses understand basic economic differences between Democrats and Republicans, the Republicans might BS their way into a political win. I feel this difference must be stressed. The Republicans practice trickle down economics such as if Elon Musk wants to have a yacht built the yacht builders will buy supplies to build his yacht and somehow they believe this demand will trickle down and help stimulate the economy. The Democrats believe in trickle up economics, such as social security. The recipients will spend the money they get to buy goods and services stimulating the economy from the bottom up. I went to school in a rural area but I think 99% is greater than 1%. The Republicans think by giving tax cuts to the wealthiest 1% of Americans will stimulate the economy while the Democrats think that giving tax breaks to the 99% at the bottom will stimulate the economy
Except they don't, they give it lip service, but most of the time what it looks like is a slight reversal of what the GOP did. The result is a continued ratcheting effect where things get worse and worse over time and fools assume that because the Democrats are partially reversing it that that's enough.
Just look at how hard they were willing to fight for a public option when Obamacare was being passed, or how they spontaneously lost all interest in hazard pay the moment they had the votes to do it. The only reason I got any hazard pay at all was because the city passed an ordinance that said they had to.
We saw it again this last election cycle when Harris refused to promise anything to help out working class men and refused.
Just look at how hard they were willing to fight for a public option when Obamacare was being passed, or how they spontaneously lost all interest in hazard pay the moment they had the votes to do it. The only reason I got any hazard pay at all was because the city passed an ordinance that said they had to.
We saw it again this last election cycle when Harris refused to promise anything to help out working class men and refused.
This looks on the outside like republicans actively preventing progress, then saying the idea didn't work because the premise was flawed rather than it was interfered with.
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We'll know more when we see which cabinet picks actually get confirmed.
Democrats have admittedly taken the votes of working class people and minorities for granted, as those groups have always been the bedrock of the Democrat party. That said, I suspect persons in those voting blocs who went Republican will regret their vote when they find the GOP doesn't care about their interests, just their vote.
They'll regret their vote either way, Harris was palling around with Cheneys. It's not like good governance based on actually delivering positive change for the masses was even an option. Not since the DNC thoroughly squashed Bernie and the progressives.
Liz Cheney actually had offered her help. Harris accepted her support, not as from an arch conservative, but as a member of the January 6 committee. Had Haris been victorious, she could have claimed to have bridged the gap between the right and left.
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They'll regret their vote either way, Harris was palling around with Cheneys. It's not like good governance based on actually delivering positive change for the masses was even an option. Not since the DNC thoroughly squashed Bernie and the progressives.
Liz Cheney actually had offered her help. Harris accepted her support, not as from an arch conservative, but as a member of the January 6 committee. Had Haris been victorious, she could have claimed to have bridged the gap between the right and left.
It doesn't matter whether Harris sought it out or not, the Cheneys are borderline war criminals that typify everything the Democrats used to be against. And the bit about claiming to bridge the gap between the right and left implies that we still have a left, which on the whole we don't. The Democrats have been a center-right party for quite awhile now and nobody seems to be pushing for more accountability. They're more or less the diet option to the GOP, just 10calories not evil enough.
If they actually wanted to win, they needed to do things like reject monsters like the Cheneys and put forward a real vision for what the country could be under their leadership other than just not being Trump. That would have been accomplished on day 1 by not being Trump. We've had 4 years of not-Trump and the American people just didn't get enough of that to justify going with more status-quo from some politicians that really weren't paying attention to what the people were saying. The people don't like sending resources that we need overseas, especially the resources going to help the Israelis ethnically cleans the Middle East.
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Sure, the Dems haven't been the party of the common people for some time. Still, I put much of the blame on the American electorate. If they really wanted a real left wing party they wouldn't have elected Trump, whose right wing populism is well known. They'd know that a vote against Biden wouldn't help desperate people in Gaza trapped between the IDF and Hamas. There's always been an ugly side to American politics which had manifested itself in demonizing vulnerable minorities, so called outsiders, and the poor, and it's currently taking the form of MAGA. When America looks in a mirror, that's what's staring back at too many of us.
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Sure, the Dems haven't been the party of the common people for some time. Still, I put much of the blame on the American electorate. If they really wanted a real left wing party they wouldn't have elected Trump, whose right wing populism is well known. They'd know that a vote against Biden wouldn't help desperate people in Gaza trapped between the IDF and Hamas. There's always been an ugly side to American politics which had manifested itself in demonizing vulnerable minorities, so called outsiders, and the poor, and it's currently taking the form of MAGA. When America looks in a mirror, that's what's staring back at too many of us.
We have things set up so that there are massive barriers to any new party that wants to compete, for example ballot access and being included in debates.
The reality, no matter how you twist it, is that the voters haven't had any viable options in decades and people keep blaming the voters for not voting for non-existent candidates and parties.
Also, a major portion of eligible voters don't vote at all.
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Sure, the Dems haven't been the party of the common people for some time. Still, I put much of the blame on the American electorate. If they really wanted a real left wing party they wouldn't have elected Trump, whose right wing populism is well known. They'd know that a vote against Biden wouldn't help desperate people in Gaza trapped between the IDF and Hamas. There's always been an ugly side to American politics which had manifested itself in demonizing vulnerable minorities, so called outsiders, and the poor, and it's currently taking the form of MAGA. When America looks in a mirror, that's what's staring back at too many of us.
We have things set up so that there are massive barriers to any new party that wants to compete, for example ballot access and being included in debates.
The reality, no matter how you twist it, is that the voters haven't had any viable options in decades and people keep blaming the voters for not voting for non-existent candidates and parties.
Also, a major portion of eligible voters don't vote at all.
While all that is doubtlessly true, I'm still not going to let the American electorate off the hook.
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