What was that reason for voting for Trump, again?

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Yesterday, 10:40 pm

Because of the MAGA cult that's taken over most of the country.



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Today, 12:42 pm

"The Art of the Con and Why People Fall for It"

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How do unsuspecting people get duped to begin with? After all, even the most rational people have proven susceptible to crimes of trickery. That’s because con artists often prey on people’s trust and their propensity for believing what they wish was true—especially with get-rich-quick schemes and individual’s desire for a quick buck. They let their guard down and buy into what con artists feed them—all in the belief of the scammer and a high rate of return in exchange for a small investment, albeit a shady deal. But the convincing scammer skews the victim into thinking the payoff will come true and the scheme is legitimate.


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Today, 1:56 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
MatchboxVagabond wrote:
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Sure, the Dems haven't been the party of the common people for some time. Still, I put much of the blame on the American electorate. If they really wanted a real left wing party they wouldn't have elected Trump, whose right wing populism is well known. They'd know that a vote against Biden wouldn't help desperate people in Gaza trapped between the IDF and Hamas. There's always been an ugly side to American politics which had manifested itself in demonizing vulnerable minorities, so called outsiders, and the poor, and it's currently taking the form of MAGA. When America looks in a mirror, that's what's staring back at too many of us.

We have things set up so that there are massive barriers to any new party that wants to compete, for example ballot access and being included in debates.

The reality, no matter how you twist it, is that the voters haven't had any viable options in decades and people keep blaming the voters for not voting for non-existent candidates and parties.

Also, a major portion of eligible voters don't vote at all.


While all that is doubtlessly true, I'm still not going to let the American electorate off the hook.

You're part of the problem then. Blaming the voters that do bother to show up when you don't like the result isn't at all useful. The responsibility here is with the politicians and elites, really the only remaining path forward that doesn't involve violence is to just vote the bums out of office, never vote for a major party candidate for federal office unless there's no 3rd party available and you're voting for the incumbent. We're not at a point where any of the folks in office can be trusted.

At the state and local level it's a bit more complicated, as some of them are actually acceptable. Every state should have either a non-partisan or bipartisan districting committee when the districts are drawn. Every state should have some form of primary that allows the same party to face off against itself in the general election if there isn't a competitive candidate from a different party running.

Things can get better, but the reality, is that we've already lost our Democracy at the federal level thanks to the corruption and incompetence of the Democratic leaderships. We still have a bit at the state and local level, but even that is fading as SCOTUS continues to undermine restrictions on corruption and voting rights.



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Today, 2:30 pm

Broad acceptance of ranked choice voting...at least in the primaries...might help.

For instance, today, having a number of good candidates and one bad candidate running for the same office could work to the advantage of the bad candidate. All of the "reasonable" votes would be split across multiple good candidates making it much easier for the bad candidate to get the most votes.


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