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26 Dec 2024, 3:30 pm

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Those who think the shooter deliberately missed don't know anything about guns.

A bullet has a tolerance distance depending how far away the shot, windspeed the tiniest movement can make a bullet go an inch or two from target, which in this case would have killed him.

If you go to shooting ranges for army & cops you`ll see the shots are spaced out slightly in the target circle, its almost impossible to guarantee a bulls eye at that distance


Exactly. Very well said.

Also, unless using "match ammo", there can be significant difference between individual rounds. For "match ammo", there is a great deal of effort to limit those differences so that variations in shot placement is minimized. Most of us, myself included, have never even seen "match ammo", much less used it.



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26 Dec 2024, 3:32 pm

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Agreed, I'm not offering evidence that it WAS staged, I'm asking the question " can we be sure that it wasn't staged " It surely played a big part in his re-election and I for one think it could have been the brainchild of one of his clever electioneering team.


It would very hard to stage that. Especially with someone who was not a world class sniper.



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27 Dec 2024, 12:32 pm

Biden just has politics he doesn't agree with swept under the carpet, in politically correct way. An underhanded stubborn character insisting he is the only correct way, that none of Biden's hypocrisy should surface in Iran or EU
Trump is gaining more popularity, even won election because Biden can't cover up lies, forever, even scolding Kamilla on leaving office.
Obviously no assassination attempts at Biden by silenced side of the coin.



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27 Dec 2024, 5:47 pm

Why always the assumption that a staged assassination would require a competent sniper?
If it was staged, the target is desired to survive, and the bullet would be aimed off target into the crowd.
In the interests of deniability you need an unknown shooter with at least tenuous links to the opposition. I see it therefore as possible that a staging committee/organiser would select someone possibly incompetent enough to fail the brief by actually injuring the "non-target"

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Biden just has politics he doesn't agree with swept under the carpet, in politically correct way

What part of that doesn't just say "politician?"
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An underhanded stubborn character insisting he is the only correct way,

Not sure which you're talking about here, because it looks applicable to both sides, but it is a better description of Trump
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that none of Biden's hypocrisy should surface in Iran or EU

Need more specificity to interpret this
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Trump is gaining more popularity, even won election because Biden can't cover up lies, forever,

It appears to me more that's it's because Trump has learned that he doesn't HAVE to cover up lies, just shout louder and point the finger. e.g. "Biden is lying"... it doesn't matter if it's true or not.
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Obviously no assassination attempts at Biden by silenced side of the coin.

The only people with a motive to kill Biden would have been the Democrats, making Harris the incumbent.
Is "the silenced side of the coin" meant to mean the Republicans?
That is truly funny... I'd like to see that on a t-shirt.



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27 Dec 2024, 7:38 pm

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Obviously no assassination attempts at Biden by silenced side of the coin.


Do you think that assassination attempts have anything to do with politics? Some are, but a great are hardly political at all.

For an example that most have probably heard of, Hinckley's attempted assassination of President Reagan was because he was trying to attract the attention of actress Jodie Foster. There was nothing political about it.

In the Crooks attract on Trump in Pennsylvania, Crooks was not particularly political. There was some even indication that he might have favored the Republicans. There were reports a week or two after the attempt that said he was tracking both Biden and Trump.

There are kooks out there who will try to assassinate government officials in spite of having little or no political influence to do so. No President is immune to this.



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28 Dec 2024, 2:10 am

kokopelli wrote:
carlos55 wrote:
Those who think the shooter deliberately missed don't know anything about guns.

A bullet has a tolerance distance depending how far away the shot, windspeed the tiniest movement can make a bullet go an inch or two from target, which in this case would have killed him.

If you go to shooting ranges for army & cops you`ll see the shots are spaced out slightly in the target circle, its almost impossible to guarantee a bulls eye at that distance


Exactly. Very well said.

Also, unless using "match ammo", there can be significant difference between individual rounds. For "match ammo", there is a great deal of effort to limit those differences so that variations in shot placement is minimized. Most of us, myself included, have never even seen "match ammo", much less used it.

The liklihood of him using match ammo greatly depends on what caliber he was using.I heard reports that he was using AK-47 which shoots a notoriously low quality ammo in most cases in 7.62x39mm. I heard he was possibly using AR-15. The thing is that match ammo is not really designed for maximum terminal performance. I even heard he could of been using .22LR so if he was using that I would say there was almost no chance it was match because .22LR generally does not come in match.I have seen match ammo at the store.Also there is this thing called MOA or minute of angle....a real accurate gun will put a few shots in a 1 inch group at 100 yards which was unheard of back in the day. But even then you cant promise a bullseye. Theoretically that bullet taking a slightly different path in a perfectly aimed shot could have saved his life.Because he was only about 1 mm off.



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28 Dec 2024, 5:42 am

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The liklihood of him using match ammo greatly depends on what caliber he was using.I heard reports that he was using AK-47 which shoots a notoriously low quality ammo in most cases in 7.62x39mm. I heard he was possibly using AR-15. The thing is that match ammo is not really designed for maximum terminal performance. I even heard he could of been using .22LR so if he was using that I would say there was almost no chance it was match because .22LR generally does not come in match.I have seen match ammo at the store.Also there is this thing called MOA or minute of angle....a real accurate gun will put a few shots in a 1 inch group at 100 yards which was unheard of back in the day. But even then you cant promise a bullseye. Theoretically that bullet taking a slightly different path in a perfectly aimed shot could have saved his life.Because he was only about 1 mm off.


I would put the odds of him even knowing about match ammo at arbitrarily close to 0.



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28 Dec 2024, 6:47 am

kokopelli wrote:
Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
The liklihood of him using match ammo greatly depends on what caliber he was using.I heard reports that he was using AK-47 which shoots a notoriously low quality ammo in most cases in 7.62x39mm. I heard he was possibly using AR-15. The thing is that match ammo is not really designed for maximum terminal performance. I even heard he could of been using .22LR so if he was using that I would say there was almost no chance it was match because .22LR generally does not come in match.I have seen match ammo at the store.Also there is this thing called MOA or minute of angle....a real accurate gun will put a few shots in a 1 inch group at 100 yards which was unheard of back in the day. But even then you cant promise a bullseye. Theoretically that bullet taking a slightly different path in a perfectly aimed shot could have saved his life.Because he was only about 1 mm off.


I would put the odds of him even knowing about match ammo at arbitrarily close to 0.

Good point.



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28 Dec 2024, 10:36 am

If shot Joe Biden in bum with long range pellet gun, is it a crime?
He won't sit for a week.

Don't loose my sense of humour, get too mad, don't do anything illegal