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Yesterday, 8:38 am

Starting a city just takes people forming one. I don't know what kind of procedures would be required, but new villages/towns/cities are formed from time to time.

Keep in mind that you cannot discriminate against anyone to keep them out.

The bigger problem is that of buying the property and building homes. Don't expect anyone else to provide those for you.

The biggest problem would be creating the economic conditions to make it a going concern. Even if you can find enough people with the finances to buy the property and build their homes, that doesn't mean that anyone is going to put in stores and hire people. In my community (not a village/town/city) with a population of 30 to 40 people, depending on how you count them, and covering about 50 square miles, there are no stores and businesses other than farms and ranches, many of which will be incorporated. The total number of employees outside of their own families is, I think, 2.

To me, the whole idea is relatively dumb.

Better yet would be to find jobs in existing small towns and rural areas and move there, but be prepared to fit in. If you keep yourself aloof, you probably won't be accepted very quickly at all.



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Yesterday, 8:41 am

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I guees with the internet people would be able to work remotely. I like the idea of people creating there own city with there own rules that's the ultimate freedom


Even if you form your own city, you would still be fully subject to county, state, and federal regulations and laws.



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Yesterday, 8:51 am

have fun and good luck lmao


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Yesterday, 9:17 am

kokopelli wrote:
Starting a city just takes people forming one. I don't know what kind of procedures would be required, but new villages/towns/cities are formed from time to time.

Keep in mind that you cannot discriminate against anyone to keep them out.

The bigger problem is that of buying the property and building homes. Don't expect anyone else to provide those for you.

The biggest problem would be creating the economic conditions to make it a going concern. Even if you can find enough people with the finances to buy the property and build their homes, that doesn't mean that anyone is going to put in stores and hire people. In my community (not a village/town/city) with a population of 30 to 40 people, depending on how you count them, and covering about 50 square miles, there are no stores and businesses other than farms and ranches, many of which will be incorporated. The total number of employees outside of their own families is, I think, 2.

To me, the whole idea is relatively dumb.

Better yet would be to find jobs in existing small towns and rural areas and move there, but be prepared to fit in. If you keep yourself aloof, you probably won't be accepted very quickly at all.


That's the current plan, there is a town in Pennsylvania we want to immigrate to due to cheap housing + nature



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Do we get along better? I’ve not observed that. Sometimes autistics bully other autistics or engage in other sorts of problematic behaviors.

Being autistic doesn't rule out other traits like psychopathic tendencies. Just because an autistic is a bully doesn't mean he/she is a bully because of the autism. I get along better with autistics and I prefer an autistic "bad guy" over an allistic one.


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Personally, I wouldn't be against the idea of having a community where only autistic people would live. But you would have to have a clear goal as to what it would look like and how a society of all autistic people would work. Especially if people have different forms of it, does that mean you have one area for one kind and another area for another kind?



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Yesterday, 4:08 pm

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Do we get along better? I’ve not observed that. Sometimes autistics bully other autistics or engage in other sorts of problematic behaviors.

Being autistic doesn't rule out other traits like psychopathic tendencies. Just because an autistic is a bully doesn't mean he/she is a bully because of the autism.

I wasn’t claiming that autistics bully because of their autism. My point was that autistics aren’t above engaging in the same behaviors as other humans. Some of that behavior can be incredibly harmful. Sexual harassment, for example, isn’t less bad coming from an autistic person than from a NT.

Overall, I’ve experienced a fair amount of s**t behavior from autistics and don’t hold them in a higher regard than anyone else. People are people.



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Yesterday, 4:52 pm

kokopelli wrote:
enz wrote:
I guees with the internet people would be able to work remotely. I like the idea of people creating there own city with there own rules that's the ultimate freedom


Even if you form your own city, you would still be fully subject to county, state, and federal regulations and laws.


sure, if you made it in America. But there must be some country on earth where they let you do this, or an island, or a group of ships in international waters



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Yesterday, 5:00 pm

enz wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
enz wrote:
I guees with the internet people would be able to work remotely. I like the idea of people creating there own city with there own rules that's the ultimate freedom


Even if you form your own city, you would still be fully subject to county, state, and federal regulations and laws.


sure, if you made it in America. But there must be some country on earth where they let you do this, or an island, or a group of ships in international waters


Seasteading isn't viable.


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Yesterday, 6:27 pm

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Seasteading isn't viable.


yeah true. only available to the super wealthy

heres a video of a island though



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Yesterday, 9:06 pm

RattyBoBatty wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
Starting a city just takes people forming one. I don't know what kind of procedures would be required, but new villages/towns/cities are formed from time to time.

Keep in mind that you cannot discriminate against anyone to keep them out.

The bigger problem is that of buying the property and building homes. Don't expect anyone else to provide those for you.

The biggest problem would be creating the economic conditions to make it a going concern. Even if you can find enough people with the finances to buy the property and build their homes, that doesn't mean that anyone is going to put in stores and hire people. In my community (not a village/town/city) with a population of 30 to 40 people, depending on how you count them, and covering about 50 square miles, there are no stores and businesses other than farms and ranches, many of which will be incorporated. The total number of employees outside of their own families is, I think, 2.

To me, the whole idea is relatively dumb.

Better yet would be to find jobs in existing small towns and rural areas and move there, but be prepared to fit in. If you keep yourself aloof, you probably won't be accepted very quickly at all.


That's the current plan, there is a town in Pennsylvania we want to immigrate to due to cheap housing + nature
I don't think an exclusively Autistic community would be a good goal. Personally, I would get a lot of Autistics to move to the same area and I think that could allow for tailoring local businesses and institutions to be Autistic-friendly. Historically, Pennsylvania has accepted a few groups of people that are "different"...for instance the Amish and Mennonites. So, perhaps Pennsylvania is a viable place for such an experiment.

Does your target location have one or more excellent hospitals nearby?

A town with a significant portion of the population being Autistic and with good medical care could possibly adjust to be friendly to Autistics.

I think having a town with a high percentage of HFA could be helpful. Businesses and government offices would be more likely to learn how to serve the HFA community's needs.

But I'm old. :roll: I'm interested in an area where I can get good senior care and good medical care. However, there are some good hospitals in Pennsylvania. Do you know if you'll be near one?


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Yesterday, 10:02 pm

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kokopelli wrote:
Starting a city just takes people forming one. I don't know what kind of procedures would be required, but new villages/towns/cities are formed from time to time.

Keep in mind that you cannot discriminate against anyone to keep them out.

The bigger problem is that of buying the property and building homes. Don't expect anyone else to provide those for you.

The biggest problem would be creating the economic conditions to make it a going concern. Even if you can find enough people with the finances to buy the property and build their homes, that doesn't mean that anyone is going to put in stores and hire people. In my community (not a village/town/city) with a population of 30 to 40 people, depending on how you count them, and covering about 50 square miles, there are no stores and businesses other than farms and ranches, many of which will be incorporated. The total number of employees outside of their own families is, I think, 2.

To me, the whole idea is relatively dumb.

Better yet would be to find jobs in existing small towns and rural areas and move there, but be prepared to fit in. If you keep yourself aloof, you probably won't be accepted very quickly at all.


That's the current plan, there is a town in Pennsylvania we want to immigrate to due to cheap housing + nature
I don't think an exclusively Autistic community would be a good goal. Personally, I would get a lot of Autistics to move to the same area and I think that could allow for tailoring local businesses and institutions to be Autistic-friendly. Historically, Pennsylvania has accepted a few groups of people that are "different"...for instance the Amish and Mennonites. So, perhaps Pennsylvania is a viable place for such an experiment.

Does your target location have one or more excellent hospitals nearby?

A town with a significant portion of the population being Autistic and with good medical care could possibly adjust to be friendly to Autistics.

I think having a town with a high percentage of HFA could be helpful. Businesses and government offices would be more likely to learn how to serve the HFA community's needs.

But I'm old. :roll: I'm interested in an area where I can get good senior care and good medical care. However, there are some good hospitals in Pennsylvania. Do you know if you'll be near one?

It's Emporium Pennsylvania. I wouldn't say there are excellent hospitals nearby, but there is a clinic in town and a hospital within 20 minutes

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Today, 12:54 am

That looks like an excellent choice. How is the economic outlook in the area?



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Today, 5:46 am

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That looks like an excellent choice. How is the economic outlook in the area?


Probably not the greatest, but I was going to head there and do a survey of the businesses to see exactly how depressed



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One site that is nice for comparing different towns and cities is https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-cities/

You can enter two cities and compare them on a variety of criteria


In many ways, they are like m hometown.

There are few things that would draw concern. One is that the median age in Emporium is more than 16 years older than here. That tells me that the younger people are probably having to move away to find work.

Another thing that would be concerning to me is that the unemployment rate is 8.9% which is higher than average for the US of 6% Future job grown is shown as 11.3% compared to 33.5% for the whole US.

Even though the overall cost of living in Emporium is slightly higher than my hometown, the housing cost if significantly lower than here. It shows that the median home cost is $67,000. The population since 2000 has dropped by just less than 30% and so there is not likely to be as much demand for the housing. It would be hard to find better housing prices than that.

The only review on the site says:

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One of the most beautiful places in the world to live; where the deer outnumber the people four to one. Beautiful woods, rolling mountains and clear streams make it serene. The people are friendly and Olivett's grocery store still helps you out to the car with your groceries.


So be sure and check it out. Go in with your eyes wide open. It has some good points and some bad points. The most important thing, I think, is the jobs outlook in the area. It may be beautiful, but remember that you can't eat beauty.



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Today, 10:30 am

Wow I got a lot of replies, I'll try to respond to them all now

I also won't be responding to the comments RattyBoBatty responded to because, well, he already responded to them

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Who's going to pay for the ones who can't work and provide their care? Not just medical care but also day-to-day care.

The city government once we're financially advanced enough

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Personally, I don't see allistic oppression as a significant issue.

Extreme bruh moment, we have a channel called #why-we-fight in the Discord and while I don't have access to Discord atm I'll link some of the stuff posted there when I can

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But I do see an autistic majority community possibly running into big clashes between sensory avoidant autists and sensory seeking autists.

Such problems exist no less in allistic society - in fact they are more prominent due to the presence of allists who are completely opposed to us.

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What I mean is, when you're 1% of a community and looking for a niche where autism gives you a leg up, you're only competing against 1% of the community. If suddenly 80% of the community is autistic, now you're competing against a lot more people.

85% unemployment rate

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I agree with gathering autists together. Double empathy theory states we get along better together and also we face heavy discrimination at the hands of allistics. For example, 85% of college educated autists are unemployed.

Disclosure: I am also part of the group and saw this post

I'll guess you're NSG. Whoever you are, hi :D

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there's also toxicity that isn't violent and can ruin a group

We have safeguards in place to protect against toxic people infiltrating the leadership of the group, but really, as RattyBoBatty said, as long as people aren't violent or destructive we should help them.

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1 What makes you think gov is going to give control of a city / province/ part of a country to you or your supporters-

We have no plans to ask for anything. Our current plan is to repopulate a dying city.

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2. What makes you think autistic people want this or would agree to such a thing?

Some of us already have.

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3. Even if it did happen it would never work, you underestimate the numbers of even hf people that can actually support themselves, very few.

This is because of allistic-oriented society.

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Society would resemble Europe at the height of the plague with an extreme minority supporting everyone else.

Things would quickly collapse into anarchy and probably avoidable deaths

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I'm generally against the idea of siloing people based on any given characteristic. You see what happens when we have states defined by religion or race - it's generally a bad idea.

Religion and race do not inherently influence your behavior, your worldview, how you exist in a society, etc. Neurotype inherently does.

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Even if you form your own city, you would still be fully subject to county, state, and federal regulations and laws.

De jure, certainly. De facto we could be largely independent.

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have fun and good luck lmao

Ty frfr

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Being autistic doesn't rule out other traits like psychopathic tendencies. Just because an autistic is a bully doesn't mean he/she is a bully because of the autism. I get along better with autistics and I prefer an autistic "bad guy" over an allistic one.

Exactly

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Personally, I wouldn't be against the idea of having a community where only autistic people would live. But you would have to have a clear goal as to what it would look like and how a society of all autistic people would work. Especially if people have different forms of it, does that mean you have one area for one kind and another area for another kind?

That is infeasible atm but it would be a nice goal for the future. For now, we're putting aside our other beliefs to build this city, which is more important than any of our other ideas.

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I wasn’t claiming that autistics bully because of their autism. My point was that autistics aren’t above engaging in the same behaviors as other humans. Some of that behavior can be incredibly harmful. Sexual harassment, for example, isn’t less bad coming from an autistic person than from a NT.

Overall, I’ve experienced a fair amount of s**t behavior from autistics and don’t hold them in a higher regard than anyone else. People are people.

Every demographic can engage in harmful behaviors. That's not the point. The point of the Double Empathy Theory is that we can empathize and connect with each other more than we can allistics or vice versa.

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One site that is nice for comparing different towns and cities is https://www.bestplaces.net/compare-cities/

Thanks for this website, it may be quite useful.

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There are few things that would draw concern. One is that the median age in Emporium is more than 16 years older than here. That tells me that the younger people are probably having to move away to find work.

That's good for us, our goal is to repopulate it. Little allistic immigration and an old median age means that the existing allistic population will probably either disappear or become irrelevant shortly.

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Another thing that would be concerning to me is that the unemployment rate is 8.9% which is higher than average for the US of 6% Future job grown is shown as 11.3% compared to 33.5% for the whole US.

Another good thing for us, we can take the jobs.

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Even though the overall cost of living in Emporium is slightly higher than my hometown, the housing cost if significantly lower than here. It shows that the median home cost is $67,000.

We are actually planning to buy a very large house there for roughly that price once we've saved up the money. That's the primary reason we chose Emporium.


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