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Today, 5:06 am

Musk's Nazi salute has gone viral on the internet. It's now on every news channel on the internet.
I thought rather than reposting a news story, people can make their own minds if it was an accident or intentional
Here's Musk

And if you go to timestamp at 3.27 on the following video you'll see an identical salute from an actual American Nazi


You can make up your own mind.



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Today, 7:27 am

Looks more like some sort of wave to me.

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Today, 7:33 am

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o/


For what it's worth, on Nationstates that's literally how the fashies used to type the Nazi salute.



Don't worry, the very credible ADL says Elon wasn't doing a Nazi salute, but keffiyehs are literally hate scarves.


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Today, 7:51 am

I think it's just his sense of humour


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Today, 8:16 am

It seems that not everyone thinks its a Nazi or facist salute. For example

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Well, be that as it may, whatever Musk did on Monday evening on stage in the Capitol One Arena, it was most definitely not a fascist or a Nazi salute, or to give it its correct title, a Roman salute.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/elon-musks-nazi-salute-an-experts-view/



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Today, 9:33 am

Netanyahu weighs in on inaugural blunder: 'Musk being falsely smeared‘

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Elon Musk is being wrongfully slandered, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu wrote in a post on X/Twitter on Thursday after Elon Musk appeared to make a Heil Hitler salute at the Presidential Parade earlier this week.

"Elon is a great friend of Israel," Netanyahu wrote, adding, "He visited Israel after the October 7 massacre in which Hamas terrorists committed the worst atrocity against the Jewish people since the Holocaust.

"He has since repeatedly and forcefully supported Israel’s right to defend itself against genocidal terrorists and regimes who seek to annihilate the one and only Jewish state," the prime minister added.

President of the World Jewish Congress, Ronald Lauder, made a similar statement earlier this week. @elonmusk is no Nazi—he’s a great friend of the Jewish people."


Rehashing what I have posted and written about in other threads. Others trying to debunk the idea that it was a Nazi salute have posted on social media very non MAGA celebrities and politicians using the same salute.

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People making cavalier Nazi comparisons has been a bugaboo of mine for decades. Overuse of Nazi comparisons minimizes what the Nazis did and the bad people being compared to Nazis do. I wish I lived in a world where the term “Nazi” was similar to “n****r” used sparingly only in very specific contexts. Unfortunately we live in a world where “Nazi” is used to describe anybody with any perceived authoritarian tendencies. As a Jewish person I find that offensive.

Since “friend of the Jews” was brought up in the last few years various elements of the right have been love bombing Jews. Many Jewish leaders have welcomed this for realpolitik reasons and considering the history of persecution of Jews are grateful for any support for any reason. Thing is these right wingers are not our friends. At the moment for various reasons they perceive it is in their interest to support us. When that changes a lot of history suggests it will be very bad for us.


I don’t know what his intent was. Being Autistic reading body language is not my expertise. My guess is he was trolling progressives with the intent of creating a reaction that would make progressives look hysterical. Intent or not that is what happened. Intent or not all of this is a deflection from then actual problem that a person with too many authoritarian and bigoted tendencies is too close with the President of the United States.


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Today, 2:19 pm

Looks like I might be on to something with my trolling theory
Elon Musk makes Holocaust jokes after Netanyahu defends him as ‘great friend of Israel’

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has come to the defense of Elon Musk, days after the billionaire and prominent Trump ally was accused of delivering Nazi salutes at a presidential inauguration rally.

One hour later, the world’s richest man was cracking Holocaust jokes on social media.

“Elon Musk is being falsely smeared,” Netanyahu wrote on Musk’s own social media account, X, Thursday morning. He avoided addressing Musk’s gesture directly but went on to call the tech mogul “a great friend of Israel.”

Netanyahu pointed to Musk’s visiting Israel after the Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas attack and advocating for what he said was “Israel’s right to defend itself against genocidal terrorists and regimes who seek to annihilate the one and only Jewish state.”

To which Musk, in turn, thanked him — only to fan the flames shortly after with a new X post.

“Don’t say Hess to Nazi accusations! Some people will Goebbels anything down! Stop Gőring your enemies! His pronouns would’ve been He/Himmler! Bet you did nazi that coming,” Musk posted Thursday, adding laughing-face emojis.

His post earned reprobation from Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, a group that took criticism days earlier for declaring that Musk’s hand gesture was not a Nazi symbol.

Ted Deutch, CEO of the American Jewish Committee, denounced Musk’s jokes in stronger terms.

Protesters have seized on the charge: in Germany, an image of Musk’s raised arm with the word “Heil” was projected onto the side of a Tesla plant. And in Italy, a leftist student group hung an effigy of Musk at the Milan site where fascist prime minister Benito Mussolini was hanged in 1945.

Before his run of Nazi jokes, Musk — who now heads a government-efficiency program under Trump — had responded to the controversy by attacking his critics. “The radical leftists are really upset that they had to take time out of their busy day praising Hamas to call me a Nazi,” he wrote Wednesday on X, in a post shared by Netanyahu. The post echoed a growing pro-Israel talking point: that Musk’s critics are hypocrites for excusing antisemitism on the pro-Palestinian left.

Greenblatt’s Thursday critiques of Musk came days after the ADL had characterized his salute as “an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute.” The ADL’s quick stance was criticized by several Jews and non-Jews alike. In recent days, other Jewish groups are continuing to define Musk’s gesture as a Nazi salute and suggesting the ADL had failed to meet the moment.

“Those trying to deny, minimize, or explain away Elon’s Nazi salute should consider that right-wing extremists, white nationalists, and neo-Nazis are embracing it,” Halie Soifer, CEO of the Jewish Democratic Council of America, said in a Wednesday statement to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. “Trump and his allies don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt in this precarious moment for our community and country.”


Elon Musk, You’re No Peter Sellers


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Today, 2:19 pm

cyberdora wrote:
Musk's Nazi salute has gone viral on the internet.


The man has lost his marbles, but it's NOT because of anything related to any possible autism issues.
I don't know about anybody else but I am sick of seeing everyone and their grandmother jumping up and saying
"It's his autism, his autism, bla bla bla quack quack quack" and using it as a one-size-fits-all bandaid excuse for bad behavior.
Society needs to stop acting like armchair experts who hand out knee-jerk autism badges for every person who "doesn't act right".
Autism is not "the universal explainer" for deep personality flaws and ethical lapses and we need to stop handing out "Handicap Hall Passes" every time some idiot says or does something stupid.

Musk might possibly be on the spectrum but it does not explain why he is acting so evil.



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Today, 2:28 pm

Jono wrote:
It seems that not everyone thinks its a Nazi or facist salute.


My eyes tell me all I need to know.



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Today, 2:31 pm

Hey guys, gentle reminder of the MAGA/MAGA apologist reaction process to this

1. "He is obviously not doing a Nazi salute."
2. "He is doing a Nazi salute, but not on purpose."
3. "He is doing a Nazi salute, but he doesn't mean it."
4. "He is doing a Nazi salute, but it's not that big a deal."
5. "He is doing a Nazi salute, and that's a big deal, but it's not a reflection on Trump or conservatives as a whole."

It's all different levels of denial, so stop trying to get them to give a damn. Most are still stuck on step 1.

To those of you who are stuck on steps 1-3, please watch video of his "wave", drive to your nearest synagogue, make that gesture, and see how Jews react to seeing someone making that gesture like it's no big deal.
I'm sorry, what a horrible thing to tell someone to do. I would have to be a thoughtless, inconsiderate, cynical imbecile to think making that kind of gesture is okay under any circumstances. I'd have to be a total moron to not realize how explicitly unsafe that makes all Jews feel.

I've considered greeting any conservative I meet with that "wave" just to make a point, but it's such a vile gesture that makes millions of people fear for their lives, so no, I can't even do it, because I have a standards.

Oh, and f--- any of you who enable conservatives' deflection that this is because of autism. You sicken me.


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Today, 3:14 pm

Murricans and Uropeeans sure do love their sleaze and scandal that has no real effect on the rest of the world.

I still remember the Rosanne scandal after she "sang" The American anthem at a baseball game. One of my middle school teachers said if it happened in Canada nobody would care.

She might be right. I once saw a video where this woman sang O Canada at a game but really had no clue and forgot most of the words. But the audience *helped* her finish the song. It was actually pretty wholesome.



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Today, 3:47 pm

Is he reading my posts?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/188243748 ... DGNqpjUrsA


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Today, 4:23 pm

Ok I kind of agree with AS. Musk loves trolling. But his choices seem to reflect something a little deeper beneath the surface. On the one hand he claims nothing should be sacred and beyond free speech. But his tendency to gravitate to one flavour of political philosophy seems to indicate a pattern. Why not ask the people who work for him
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/ca ... %20factory.