Page 2 of 2 [ 24 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

lostonearth35
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 5 Jan 2010
Age: 50
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,853
Location: Lost on Earth, waddya think?

21 Jan 2025, 11:42 pm

^People who *claim* they are such things exist, but there is next to no evidence that they actually are, nearly all such people are con artists, and the the whole thing is a bunch of pseudoscience.

Claiming autistic kids have supernatural powers as if they're aliens or magical beings is just ridiculous. They're human like everyone else.



Stargazer99
Hummingbird
Hummingbird

Joined: 19 Jan 2025
Age: 54
Gender: Female
Posts: 23
Location: Earth

21 Jan 2025, 11:44 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

Again, evidence please.


That is for you to find now. :) I think I’ve said enough.



funeralxempire
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 40
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 29,872
Location: Right over your left shoulder

21 Jan 2025, 11:48 pm

Stargazer99 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:

Again, evidence please.


That is for you to find now. :) I think I’ve said enough.


Translation, you expect me to go down the same rabbit hole of disinformation and come out believing in magic instead of applying critical thinking to the weak and unsubstantiated claims made by the same disinformation peddlers who convinced you.


_________________
Scratch a Liberal and a Fascist bleeds
"Many of us like to ask ourselves, What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?' The answer is, you're doing it. Right now." —Former U.S. Airman (Air Force) Aaron Bushnell


Stargazer99
Hummingbird
Hummingbird

Joined: 19 Jan 2025
Age: 54
Gender: Female
Posts: 23
Location: Earth

21 Jan 2025, 11:57 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Stargazer99 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:

Again, evidence please.


That is for you to find now. :) I think I’ve said enough.


Translation, you expect me to go down the same rabbit hole of disinformation and come out believing in magic instead of applying critical thinking to the weak and unsubstantiated claims made by the same disinformation peddlers who convinced you.


I don’t expect anything. Truly. You are free to believe whatever you choose. I research this topic because it interests me and it has helped me to better understand my own experiences, which are not clinically documented and would be irrelevant to you.



funeralxempire
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 40
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 29,872
Location: Right over your left shoulder

Yesterday, 1:08 am

You seem to be operating under the assumption that this isn't a topic that's ever interested me or that I haven't researched it before.

Stargazer99 wrote:
That is for you to find now.


That comment demonstrates that assumption.

When I was younger I was both interested in and largely open to considering supernatural and paranormal claims. It's still a topic I find interesting, I'm just much more skeptical of many specific claims I once was open to due to the lack of concrete research substantiating them and the much broader research debunking them.

I don't believe in telepathy or clairvoyance in the same way I don't believe in horses who can do math.

People's desire to believe in the paranormal is stronger than all the evidence that it does not exist. It's not something that exists as an open question, it's something that enough research has been done to lean heavily towards an answer existing and that answer being no.

I recognize that people who are emotionally invested in these sorts of beliefs have coping mechanisms for dealing with attempts at debunking those beliefs, but trying to dismiss skepticism as ignorance is a good way to find those coping mechanisms being tested.

I've had to absorb that some of my experiences were grossly misinterpreted by my mind and that the explanation wasn't nearly as ego-satisfying as I'd like to believe, so even the personal experience argument doesn't really carry weight to me. People can experience both hallucinations and delusions. Altered state of experience will always be a more likely explanation for those sorts of claims, although I understand on a personal level how much less satisfying that answer may be and why people are prone to cringe from it.


_________________
Scratch a Liberal and a Fascist bleeds
"Many of us like to ask ourselves, What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?' The answer is, you're doing it. Right now." —Former U.S. Airman (Air Force) Aaron Bushnell


Edna3362
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 29 Oct 2011
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,756
Location: ᜆᜄᜎᜓᜄ᜔

Today, 9:07 am

I really wish telepathy is true, regardless of how it might be real or not.

All because I hate words and wording. :lol:
Because of how language itself is unnatural to me; to speak, to read, to write, to listen...

I imagine telepathy's medium as some sort of abstract thoughts and emotions before it's translated into words and pictures, than the commonly thought language and imagery alone.

The interpretation into language and pictures itself won't be a direct translation from the person thinking, but how the other person might interpret and translate it with odds that may or may not be right relatively; more like a paraphrasing than a verbatim.


_________________
Gained Number Post Count (1).
Lose Time (n).

Lose more time here - Updates at least once a week.


rowan_nichol
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 28 Jul 2016
Age: 61
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 774
Location: England

Today, 4:56 pm

I will draw on Fenn's posts on what makes for constructive threads.

I find the starting point which is best for me id "Extra-ordinary claims need Extra-ordinary evidence to support them"

It is also helpful to explore all possible ways which could create the condition which is observed or claimed. And attempts to repeat are not wasted time.

Now I do recall much discussion here and elsewhere on how empathy is experienced. I recall many report to tuning in acutely, feeling almost what the other is feeling. Reading the feeling of a group, or not.

I also note the level of detail focus so many of us report, and ability to detect patterns.

My mother reported often somehow knowing when I was upset even when we were apart. I do wonder if my mother had spotted my daily up and down cycles and the subconscious pattern matching was at play rather than somehow me broadcasting some signal which was received by mum. Mum had probably also filed away in her great Music and Maths brain all the sorts of things which could stress me. Sadly without the services of Dr Who to do an observational study it's past the time to get the evidence, extraordinary or otherwise.

One also wonders in the reports through so many cultures and times around such things as clairvoyance and prophecy, how much may have been that autistic pattern matching system over times combined with really sensitive "Threat Pattern" detection, that fast subconscious part of the brain mind system which kept us and other animals (and not just mamals) surviving through evolutionary timescale, which sets of the anxiety systems before the conscious brain even starts processing. One thinks perhaps those who foresaw bad stuff in the future had that system noticing and putting patterns together years before the thing those conditions led to actually happened.

All interesting stuff to ponder.

Humour on : and the pedant in me observes that Telepathy is two Greek words meeting distance feeling and Clairvoyance is from French meaning clear seeing.



Jakki
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2019
Gender: Female
Posts: 12,459
Location: Outter Quadrant

Today, 7:07 pm

^^^^^ The Above ^^^^^

Enhanced Pattern Recognition . :wink:


_________________
Diagnosed hfa
Loves velcro,
Quote:
where ever you go ,there you are