Musk Nazi Salute goes viral

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It was clearly a Nazi salute and he did it with intention.

Oh, and f--- any of you who enable conservatives' deflection that this is because of autism. You sicken me.

As some experts and advocates may tell you, autism symptoms and gestures that appear like targeted hate toward people are typically two completely different things.

First, while autism can cause people to struggle more in social situations, it doesn’t mean it excuses cruelty and disrespect, whether intentional or not. While some individuals who are autistic may struggle to interpret social cues or engage in social settings, that doesn’t mean they’ll jump to controversial actions.

“Neurodivergent people are just like anyone else and are able to learn social norms, context and impacts of their actions,” Jennifer Vincent, a licensed mental health counselor who works with autistic and neurodivergent individuals, and has nearly 20 years of experience, told HuffPost.

Shea Belsky, a Jewish person and autistic self-advocate, also emphasized this point based on his own experience. “Autism does not make it impossible for someone to feel shame, empathy or guilt for their actions,” he told HuffPost. “I do not believe for a second that Elon was oblivious to what he was doing.”

Additionally, as autistic X user @FowlCrown, Siena, stated in a post that autism and a Nazi salute are not a cause-and-effect situation. “im autistic and wouldn’t make any movement even close to a nazi especially in front of a cROWD at such a heightened political time,” they wrote.

There’s also the argument of dyspraxia, a movement and coordination disorder that’s common in autistic children. Some on social media suggested Musk’s salute could be a product of that.

When discussing a condition, especially in public conversations and debates about controversial topics, talking to people who have it firsthand is also vital.

“For me, I experience a lot of sensory challenges, including being very sensitive to noises, smells, visual stimuli,” Dawson shared. “I also need a lot of alone time, and can easily take on the emotions and stress of those around me.”

Of course, that’s only one example. Autism will look different for each person who has it — and that doesn’t mean hate speech and gestures are a part.

“I feel it’s important to look at the background and overall context of the individual, not their neurotype in isolation,” Dawson said. “Musk’s track record with the far right is undeniable and should be what is focused on here.”

Acknowledging what’s behind this particular debate ― and the impact it has
All of this begs the question: Are people associating Musk’s gesture with autism doing so because they believe they know how autism works, or because they want to throw a blanket defense for Musk (and perhaps more specifically, the far right)? After all, some X users posted photos and videos of Democrats with their arms out, appearing to demonstrate the same gesture. But others argue these images are not the same as Musk’s gesture.

After asking Dawson, she said it could be a combination of both. “People often reach for anything in defense,” she said. “The fact that it is being brought up highlights a continued misunderstanding that’s being perpetuated recently.”

When asked how the excuse for Musk made them feel, the people with autism we interviewed used words like “abhorred,” “incredibly angry,” “infuriated” and “saddened.”

Conservative parent: "It's clearly not a Nazi salute! Liberals are just a bunch of snowflakes!"
Child of conservative parent: "So, is it okay if I do that salute at school?"
Conservative parent: "Hell f---ing no!"

How many of those comparisons are relying on a single out of context image when offering up examples of normies doing the same thing as Musk?

It one thing to have your arm in a raised position for an instant, it's another to do the entire motion of a Nazi salute twice at a rally in front of swarms of modern day far-right extremists.

It seems like yet another example of how the far-right relies on equivocation and other tactics to muddy the waters when they're called out for socially repulsive behaviour.

How has Taylor Swift been dragged into all this?

Well, Musk has been sharing reposts defending him and two of them have included out-of-context posts comparing a screengrab of Taylor Swift waving.

"My god. Not her too," one post read while the second read: "Does this mean Swifties = Hitler youth?" and also included a photo of Adolf Hilter doing the Nazi salute.

Fact-checking website Snopes has confirmed the image of Swift is fake, citing a report from fact-checking organisation the Polish Pravda Association which says an unidentified user "horizontally mirrored the picture, making it appear as if she extended her right arm — the arm designated for performing a Nazi salute."

In the original undoctored image, Swift extended her left arm as she blew a kiss and waved to the crowd during a concert performance on ABC's "Good Morning America" back in 2014 which can be viewed on YouTube.

Conservative parent: "It's clearly not a Nazi salute! Liberals are just a bunch of snowflakes!"
Child of conservative parent: "So, is it okay if I do that salute at school?"
Conservative parent: "Hell f---ing no!"

Conservative parent: "It's clearly not a Nazi salute! Liberals are just a bunch of snowflakes!"
Child of conservative parent: "So, is it okay if I do that salute at school?"
Conservative parent: "Hell f---ing no!"

The author of the article made the assumption that the only people bringing up Autism are people defending Musk's actions. Are we sure about this? Autism has been cited by people as a cause of mass shootings, break up of families so why not a "Nazi Salute"?

Either way, all these people weaponizing the term Autism for political gain hurt us as a community. The author of the article did not ask me how I feel about it. I feel frustrated.

I think Musk himself has used his autism in the past to excuse his social awkwardness. It's one thing to make socially awkward comments, its another thing to consciously commit to a salute that he must have known would be construed as neo-Nazi.

A lot has been made about that Musk did the Seig Heil/I Heart you salute twice.

The rally was held in the Capital One Arena. The gesture was made twice so the people on both sides of the arena could see it.

The chairman of Israel's official Holocaust memorial has accused Elon Musk of insulting the victims of Nazism and endangering Germany’s democratic future after the billionaire addressed a rally for Germany’s far-right party on Saturday.

Musk, the world’s richest man, made a surprise virtual appearance at a campaign event for Germany’s far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) party on Saturday, doubling down on his support for the group he has said can “save Germany” ahead of snap elections in February.

In an apparent reference to Germany’s Nazi history, the head of the Trump administration’s Department of Government Efficiency, whose smiling face was projected onto a vast screen, told a roaring crowd that “children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their great-grandparents.”

“There is too much focus on past guilt, and we need to move beyond that,” he added at the rally in the eastern German city of Halle.

Musk’s remarks, which came the same week that he faced criticism for a gesture during a speech in Washington that many people said resembled a Nazi salute, came two days before world leaders are due to commemorate the 80th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.

“The remembrance and acknowledgement of the dark past of the country and its people should be central in shaping the German society,” said Dani Dayan, chairman of Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial to the victims of the Holocaust, in a post on X.

“Failing to do so is an insult to the victims of Nazism and a clear danger to the democratic future of Germany,” he added.

Musk has openly supported numerous hard-right causes in Europe, including the anti-immigrant AfD, which last year became the first far-right party to win a state election in Germany since World War II.

Moving past guilt over the atrocities of Germany’s Nazi era is a key pillar of the AfD’s platform.

In echoing the party’s attitude to Germany’s past — a point of view that has drawn outrage inside Germany and abroad — the tech billionaire threw his support behind a party whose co-founder Alexander Gauland once dismissed the Nazi era as “just a speck of bird’s muck in more than 1,000 years of successful German history.”

The AfD denies being extremist, although its leaders have said that Germany should stop apologizing for the Holocaust and the Third Reich.

The timing of Musk’s appearance at the AfD rally was also notable in that it came just days after he made a gesture in Washington that sparked widespread condemnation.

Abraham Foxman, the former director of the Anti-Defamation League, said on X that Musk’s appearance in and comments at the rally, just days after his speech in Washington, “help place the hand gesture in perspective.”

Foxman’s comments on Musk’s actions came in contrast to those of the ADL’s current leadership.

Musk’s comments at the AfD’s rally also played into familiar AfD talking points on national identity and immigration.

“It’s good to be proud of German culture, German values, and not to lose that in some sort of multiculturalism that dilutes everything,” Musk said.

The AfD has successfully used Germany’s debate over immigration to bolster its popularity. The party adopted an explicitly anti-Islam policy in May 2016, and its 2017 election manifesto included a section on why “Islam does not belong to Germany.”

The topic of immigration was one of many Musk discussed during an X broadcast earlier this month in which he spent more than an hour speaking with AfD co-leader Alice Weidel.

As he has become increasingly vocal about his apparent move to the right of the political spectrum, Musk has thrown his support behind numerous right-wing causes, including the United Kingdom’s hard-right Reform UK party and Italy’s far-right Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, calling her a “precious genius.”

But his most zealous support has been for the AfD, which heads into February’s elections polling in second place after the collapse of Germany’s left-led coalition government.

While other German political parties have refused to join coalitions with the AfD due to its extreme positions, Musk has given the group a significant boost, most notably — before Saturday at least — with his X interview with Weidel.