I think Elon Musk is the result of his childhood enviroment.

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23 Jan 2025, 2:11 pm

I was thinking, in term of behavior and problematics I clearly do understand him... got same high and low, same weird moments but I was luck to have my mom. My mom always had accept me, always was here and always told me when I was doing something bad socially without never push me.

I ever felt sad for the ones close to him, tbh, especially for his family and especially for his brother Kimbal who had try to help him.

I feel like the problem with Elon Musk was the father in this his brothers clearly said, indirectly "I had try to help him" "you feel so powerless seeing a person you love beat to death (...) I think you can teach to your kids to working hard without torturing them (...) I think what he gave me and my brother the absolutely fear of going back (...) those traits yourself there's sort of nature versus nurture that part are nature can't be fixed and getting older I learn how to nurture myself (...) is completely different from how my parents had with me (...) secure attachment and the concept of chaotic attachment (...) I had this chaotic attachment with my dad which was a lot of love and insanity" , he just tried to save him and is clearly evident that he feel part of the problem (while he couldn't being able to save him from being mad because Elon went grew up not by his mom or his simblings, but his dad). Elon to me is a clear example of what happen if you are ASD and you get grew up by the worst parents in the worst enviroment. His brother clearly is different and clearly isn't agree with him.


His girlfriends as well did said he is bad just mad, is different.


He ended to be exactly as his dad, sadly.


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23 Jan 2025, 2:34 pm

For the fact they are supporting him: listen my father is borderline and trust me love can make you blind.


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23 Jan 2025, 5:01 pm

As with trump, one doesn't have to look too far to find their influence.
For trump, his father was a member of the Klan during the height of their influence between 1910-1920.

For Musk it was his grandfather Joshua Haldeman who was a strident supporter of apartheid and a strong influence on the young Elon. Haldeman was a supporter of South Africa's apartheid policies and the ruling National Party of South Africa, telling a reporter for the Die Transvaler newspaper: “Instead of the Government’s attitude keeping me out of South Africa, it had precisely the opposite effect—it encouraged me to come and settle here”. In 1951, he wrote an article about South Africa for the Saskatchewan newspaper, the Regina Leader-Post, defending apartheid and writing of Black South Africans: “The natives are very primitive and must not be taken seriously.
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23 Jan 2025, 5:13 pm

cyberdora wrote:
As with trump, one doesn't have to look too far to find their influence.
For trump, his father was a member of the Klan during the height of their influence between 1910-1920.

For Musk it was his grandfather Joshua Haldeman who was a strident supporter of apartheid and a strong influence on the young Elon. Haldeman was a supporter of South Africa's apartheid policies and the ruling National Party of South Africa, telling a reporter for the Die Transvaler newspaper: “Instead of the Government’s attitude keeping me out of South Africa, it had precisely the opposite effect—it encouraged me to come and settle here”. In 1951, he wrote an article about South Africa for the Saskatchewan newspaper, the Regina Leader-Post, defending apartheid and writing of Black South Africans: “The natives are very primitive and must not be taken seriously.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_N._Haldeman


Wait Musk is an idiot but never stay with apartheid... I dislike him but I prefer check my suorces. For the rest, yeah, he grew up in the worst situatio... I'm northern eastern italian, european, I cannot believe what I had heard about SA. We don't already understand Usa but South Africa is unbelievable.
I'm luck to be mediterranean... I understand now what they mean with "paradise". As italian I was always snob with my hometown... I understand at least no gun shooting, great health care, great wellfare.
I cannot understand how he had survive.


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23 Jan 2025, 5:33 pm

Still no excuse. Reprehensible views can be unlearned.


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23 Jan 2025, 5:46 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
Still no excuse. Reprehensible views can be unlearned.


Actually psychological researches say it is false.


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23 Jan 2025, 8:18 pm

Musk needs some "Road to Damascus" awakening to change his attitudes and beliefs. So far his far right ideology has not really harmed his road to being a trillionaire and some cartoonish evil overlord over Planet earth.



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23 Jan 2025, 8:30 pm

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Musk needs some "Road to Damascus" awakening to change his attitudes and beliefs.


So like, he needs to make himself the authoritarian leader of a group that he currently persecutes? :lol:


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23 Jan 2025, 8:31 pm

AsaboveAsbelow wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Still no excuse. Reprehensible views can be unlearned.


Actually psychological researches say it is false.


If there's no hope, that might justify putting the dangerous animal down.


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24 Jan 2025, 10:20 am

My dear, I'm italian. They had voted him.

I didn't voted Meloni, I do vote socialist... I'm not his supporter. But if he is there and if Trump is there is because anglosaxons voted them.

If there is a raising of populists is because folks are dumb. You are blabling but people can vote.

Usa isn't a dictature. They had voted. Isn't like in Georgia, isn't like in Russia... nobody forced or paid them to vote nothing.

Take your own responsability if you are american.

In Italia don't vote is close to be illegal, we call ourselves loosers if bad politicians raise... why? Because we are a demicracy, we vote.

I love Elon? No. Meloni? No. Do I had voted Lega? No.

I had voted Sinistra Italiana... take your own responsability.

When british had voted Brexit we were aware they would had end as poor... you cannot mock us europeans.

Europeans dislike Trump since we will never produce our stuffs in the Usa, we are creating our own labels and projects... so, no, it is americans fault.


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26 Jan 2025, 6:16 am

The majority of Americans were hoodwinked by a conman. This happens fairly often in politics. They have to live with their choice now, and maybe the eyes of some will open.
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26 Jan 2025, 6:45 pm

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The majority of Americans were hoodwinked by a conman.


there's a saying, you can fool some of the people some of the time. And all of the people some of the time. But you can't fool of the people all of the time. trump seems to have managed fool 75 million folks all of the time. You gotta give the guy credit. that alone is a testimony to the state of the nation.



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27 Jan 2025, 4:21 pm

cyberdora wrote:
Envirozen8666 wrote:
The majority of Americans were hoodwinked by a conman.


there's a saying, you can fool some of the people some of the time. And all of the people some of the time. But you can't fool of the people all of the time. trump seems to have managed fool 75 million folks all of the time. You gotta give the guy credit. that alone is a testimony to the state of the nation.


My mom follow more than me this, many many immigrants had vote him too... that's what I had said with "result of a childhood enviroment".

He would had be normal without.

PS: I'm not open about being ASD much, thank God in my country law permit me to take secret my diagnosis plus I use a second mail and dunno why sometimes is funnier pretend to be a man... I'm a girl. I choosed to show I'm a woman because in my daily enviroment I'm luck to not have gender inequity. But I'm a feminist, this lead me sometimes to do it. :heart:


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27 Jan 2025, 4:30 pm

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Can I explain by Unite Europe's perspective?

In Europe is raising nationalism, we are afraid of... UE isn't uncommon with this.
So, Le Pen and Meloni and Hungary and Austria and Germany and Scandinavia... but we recognize it, we talk about.
We aren't say "it is a casuality" no it isn't... in UE it works pretty like that.
With the exception that european cops are great 80% not enter in random house and work pro people not pro establishment.
We're the bohemians, the hipsters, the retrograde, colonizators, all-know-all, snob... but we take our responsabilitie.





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