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28 Jan 2025, 9:20 am

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Many classics were written before TV and movies decreased everyone's attention span.
One day TikTok will decrease everyone's attention span to the point where classic movies are no longer watchable.


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28 Jan 2025, 10:14 am

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Many classics were written before TV and movies decreased everyone's attention span.
One day TikTok will decrease everyone's attention span to the point where classic movies are no longer watchable.


Personally, I've always found most movies to be unwatchable.


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28 Jan 2025, 11:28 am

It's certainly not a size issue; I lapped up TLOTR, as I did The Mote in God's Eye, Dune, Lyonnesse, The Seven Pillars of Wisdom (lawrence of Arabia) The Henry Morton Stanley (dubious character but a very godd writer; we were born in the same county!) account of finding Livingstone, and, this was a surprise, one from the Twilight series, which was far more engaging than I'd imagined, and very well written. Magnusen's translation of the Icelandic Sagas was good too (though the system of law described, left me nonplussed).

I've little experience of older books, but one particular favourite was a short story collection, including one called The Beetle. I was fascinated about how language changes (question marks used to appear after the relevant word, and not at the end of the sentence, a retrograde step!).

Nothing wrong with small books, either, especially if they come from Poul Anderson (his The Broken Sword, and Hrolf Kraki's Saga are astonishing) or R E Howard's Conan stories ( a quality of storytelling which, strangely, he couldn't repeat with his other characters). Someone once said that books are a poor substitute for life, but for me, life would be much poorer without hem!



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28 Jan 2025, 11:37 am

I've never finished TLOTR, it wasn't as interesting as War and Peace.


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28 Jan 2025, 12:03 pm

The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings trilogy are among my favorites. They’re comforting in a way because they were very dear friends when I was growing up.



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28 Jan 2025, 2:10 pm

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RetroGamer87 wrote:
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Many classics were written before TV and movies decreased everyone's attention span.
One day TikTok will decrease everyone's attention span to the point where classic movies are no longer watchable.


Personally, I've always found most movies to be unwatchable.


If you think movies are bad, try watching TV from the 70s and 80s. Every episode of the show has the same plot.


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28 Jan 2025, 2:14 pm

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When I was a freshman in high school, my English teacher selected me to read it for a book report. It quickly turned into a forced death march. I read every page but didn't get anything out of it. I haven't been able to read anything by Tolstoy ever since.

One wonder sometimes if the purpose of public education is to destroy any interest in learning.

For some teachers, yes. I had one who would forbid me from writing about any topic in which I showed too much enjoyment.

It seemed like she subscribed to the protestant work ethic (in spite of being a self-avowed atheist). She thought that anything you enjoyed was bad for you and anything you detested was good for you. She especially disliked seeing students show enthusiasm in class. Somehow it offended her.


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28 Jan 2025, 4:36 pm

In junior high, we wrote our first research papers. The teacher did not limit the topics.

My research paper was titled "Common Diseases of the Horse's Hoof".

The results were great. The teacher knew nothing about hoof diseases so all she could grade the paper on was the grammar. Any mistake on content didn't matter.

The next year, she required the topics to be related to Literature.

From then on, I used the lesson I learned and always tried to avoid writing about anything the teacher knew. For example, we had to write a paper in freshman English in college and so I wrote mine on the formation of solar systems.



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28 Jan 2025, 4:58 pm

For me, big books like War and Peace, Don Quixote and LOTR offer an immersive experience that's deeper and more satisfying than any other art form.

I enjoyed Anna Karenina more than War and Peace though.

I think one of the reasons I like classic fiction is because I wasn't forced to read it at school. I opted out of literature at the first opportunity.


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30 Jan 2025, 11:51 pm

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Am I the only one here who detests classic novels. When I tackled W and P I expected good things from "the World's greatst novel" but instead I found boring stories about boring people for generations. I percevered in the expectation it might liven up a bit when it got to the war, but by two thirds of the way through it was still endless boring peace, so I gave up!

Crime and Punishment followed, of which I managed just 3 chapters (Columbo was no better; talk about low budget!). Shakespear? I like the plays, but not for reading. Wuthering Heights? Utterly unintersting. Again I like the films of Dickens' books, but not to read (I much prefer Trollope). I haven't given up, and am currently working on Great Expectations, but frankly, an account of atrocities in the Belgian Congo is proving to be a lot more enjoyable..

I agree. Years later, I still can’t understand what possessed me to read Wuthering Heights, Anna Karenina, and my personal nightmare, Pride And Prejudice. Thank you for the heads up on W&P!


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30 Jan 2025, 11:52 pm

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Many classics were written before TV and movies decreased everyone's attention span.
One day TikTok will decrease everyone's attention span to the point where classic movies are no longer watchable.
LOL!


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30 Jan 2025, 11:53 pm

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For me, big books like War and Peace, Don Quixote and LOTR offer an immersive experience that's deeper and more satisfying than any other art form.

I enjoyed Anna Karenina more than War and Peace though.

I think one of the reasons I like classic fiction is because I wasn't forced to read it at school. I opted out of literature at the first opportunity.

You enjoyed Anna Karenina?? I admire you beyond what you can imagine.


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31 Jan 2025, 12:40 am

My mother was a librarian/teacher and forced me to read a pile of "classics", when all I wanted to read was sci-fi novels and electronics magazines.
I remember starting war and peace and giving up after the first chapter.
What an excruciating literary style.



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31 Jan 2025, 12:41 am

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If you think movies are bad, try watching TV from the 70s and 80s. Every episode of the show has the same plot.


I have tried it. It's not for me. I can understand why MTV was such a big deal when it first came on the air though.


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31 Jan 2025, 12:51 am

Carbonhalo wrote:
My mother was a librarian/teacher and forced me to read a pile of "classics", when all I wanted to read was sci-fi novels and electronics magazines.
I remember starting war and peace and giving up after the first chapter.
What an excruciating literary style.


I still remember the first science fiction book I ever read. I was maybe a junior in high school and a friend of mine who had recently moved into town loaned me his copy of Isaac Asimov's The End of Eternity. I still read non-science fiction, but a good bit of the fiction I have read since then has been science fiction.



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31 Jan 2025, 9:51 am

Having become rather tired of a narrative which is supposedly from a young boy, but would be more appropriate to a retired philosophy professor, I took a plunge and bought a book on Slavic Mythology. I'll let you know how it goes.