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Team Unix or team NT?
Team Unix (Linux) 50%  50%  [ 6 ]
Team Unix (MacOS) 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Team NT (Windows) 17%  17%  [ 2 ]
Team MS-DOS (Windows) 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Team Unix (BSD) 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Team Unix (Unix) 8%  8%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 12

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29 Jan 2025, 9:55 am

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I burned Linux Lite 7.2 to a DVD last night then installed it to a separate drive (keeping this hard drive available) and had a few issues. It is true that I could overcome those issues, but it just wasn't worth the trouble.

I also installed Fedora Silverblue but it was even worse on memory than OpenSuSE.

I also burned DVDs for the FXCE 41, LXDE 41, Cinnamon 41, and KDE 40 spins (that's what Fedora calls them) of Fedora. I have the DVD for the FXCE spin ready to go but haven't installed it yet since it is about time to go to sleep.

What is happening is that Linux is using well over half of the 8 Gigabytes (often 4.9 to 6 GB) for cache and the amount available for programs gets terribly low.

I hadn't noticed until this morning that this install of OpenSuSE Tumbleweed has no disk space allocated to caching! This is quite shocking -- no wonder it freezes so often. I may go back later today or tonight and install it on another drive being careful to make sure that it allocates disk space to cache pages. That may make a lot of differences. Sure, it would slow down when that happens, but it shouldn't just freeze for minutes at a time, or much longer.

What I could really use is some way to limit the amount of memory used for caching. There must be some way to do it -- I just haven't figured it out yet.

One thing that I am tempted to do is to go back to using OpenBSD on my workstation. I have another computer that I can set up for Linux and put it somewhere in my office. Then I can open use "xterm -X kokopelli@othercomputer" and run those programs I want from there. I don't think that I would even need a desktop environment on that computer.

So today's experiments will be
1) Install OpenSuSE on another drive (I just unplug the current and plug it in) and make sure that a sufficient amount of hard drive is dedicated for caching.
2) If 1) doesn't work, try the Fedora FXCE 41 spin. (I really don't expect this to make much difference.)
3) If 2) doesn't work, try Fedora LXDE 41 and Fedora Cinnamon 41 in that order. I'm not sure why I bothered to download and burn the KDE spin on a DVD.

And if that doesn't work, set up the other computer and use it as an adjunct to an OpenBSD workstation.

By the way, my preferred windows manager is WIndowsMaker. I don't know if that is still around, though.


I havent a pc and I had need a full option one who was unix alike but not tricky... so i bought a Mac, nowdays I think it is a pure Unix porn (no, nothing pornografic except you are a nerd)


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29 Jan 2025, 9:58 am

Peppermint OS is cool but at this point I guess Debian is more common... but I prefer Rhel based. I prefer yum or dnf, I learned it... but I do understand Ubuntu is more common in terminal commands.

What made me choose MacOS over Fedora is the close suorce. For the rest are the same behaviors.

At work I work with stock and production in administrative (how say this in english?!) using Sap and Windows but I hate Windows. :lol:


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29 Jan 2025, 2:09 pm

AsaboveAsbelow wrote:
I havent a pc and I had need a full option one who was unix alike but not tricky... so i bought a Mac, nowdays I think it is a pure Unix porn (no, nothing pornografic except you are a nerd)


I have a Mac but aren't real impressed by it and don't use it much.



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29 Jan 2025, 2:12 pm

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Dude, a person voted old school Unix! Can we talk about?


That was me. I glanced at them and didn't notice the BSD above it before hitting the Submit key.

Although BSD has not paid for the testing to be classified as UNIX, I think that it is probably about the most conventional UNIX around.

I have used other UNIX''s, especially in the 1990s and BSD fits right in.



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29 Jan 2025, 6:16 pm

Don't worry... MacOS is what Fedora aim to be! :wink:


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30 Jan 2025, 2:50 am

I reinstalled Tuesday's release of OpenSuSE Tumbleweed. This time I made sure that it had cache and set it to be large enough to hold all of main memory. So 8 gigabytes of main memory and 8 gigabytes of cache.

It quickly used up main memory once I started testing by opening lots of web pages on two browsers plus some other memory hogs running.

The results are far better than I expected.

So if you start having trouble with your Linux machine browsing, more swap space may be the answer. I don't know if you can increase it without doing a fresh install, though, so when installing Linux, include at least as much swap space as the amount of memory in your computer.



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30 Jan 2025, 6:08 am

Actually MacOS is Unix as is Linux... so to me there's no difference.


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30 Jan 2025, 10:38 am

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Another that I've played with lightly was Qubes OS.

If you aren't familiar with Qubes OS, it is an operating system for those who are paranoid about security.

It really needs more memory to be used to its full potential.

I am interested in Qubes but not sure if I really need it anyway, it would be kinda interesting it learn. I have 32gb ram in my thinkpad I just got recently. :)

my first laptop was linux! xandros eee pc 701 white one. I remember trying to get Cube 2 Sauerbraten on it but I didn't know how to use command line to run the game :P
I would use ubuntu a bit in 2015 at school due to windows having issues on a my laptop. I had a macbook as well then. In 2019ish I started using linux more, arch linux and stuff on a 4600g i think it was and then a rx580 build.
I feel icky using windows? i dunno. I don't really use macOS anymore so I am not sure about that. I was using windows for VR games but had to stop VR due to vision issues (not caused but could be worse from extended vr use). I like using debian based and also arch. arch with yum/paru is nice for AUR stuff, Void linux is cool for non system d and fast boot times. I like LMDE as well for linux mint stability and debian but more polished ish. XFCE is good and KDE, gnome i do not like using as much and not being able to disable compositor for games. X11 is better for games since Wayland causes delay.
I am getting a rx6600 soon and will use debian stable xfce i think. I also like debian names since debian 13 trixie is the same name as a character from MLP.



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30 Jan 2025, 2:53 pm

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kokopelli wrote:
Another that I've played with lightly was Qubes OS.

If you aren't familiar with Qubes OS, it is an operating system for those who are paranoid about security.

It really needs more memory to be used to its full potential.

I am interested in Qubes but not sure if I really need it anyway, it would be kinda interesting it learn. I have 32gb ram in my thinkpad I just got recently. :)

my first laptop was linux! xandros eee pc 701 white one. I remember trying to get Cube 2 Sauerbraten on it but I didn't know how to use command line to run the game :P
I would use ubuntu a bit in 2015 at school due to windows having issues on a my laptop. I had a macbook as well then. In 2019ish I started using linux more, arch linux and stuff on a 4600g i think it was and then a rx580 build.
I feel icky using windows? i dunno. I don't really use macOS anymore so I am not sure about that. I was using windows for VR games but had to stop VR due to vision issues (not caused but could be worse from extended vr use). I like using debian based and also arch. arch with yum/paru is nice for AUR stuff, Void linux is cool for non system d and fast boot times. I like LMDE as well for linux mint stability and debian but more polished ish. XFCE is good and KDE, gnome i do not like using as much and not being able to disable compositor for games. X11 is better for games since Wayland causes delay.
I am getting a rx6600 soon and will use debian stable xfce i think. I also like debian names since debian 13 trixie is the same name as a character from MLP.


I detest Ubuntu! :oops:
Try at this point pure Debian, or Fedora but is a pain close cuorce codecs... btw MacOS IS Unix, you don't require them.


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30 Jan 2025, 4:16 pm

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I detest Ubuntu! :oops:
Try at this point pure Debian, or Fedora but is a pain close cuorce codecs

I dislike Ubuntu now but back then didn't know other distributions :P I have also run Fedora before and a few spins of it like nobara Linux. Codecs are a bit tricky yes.



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30 Jan 2025, 4:28 pm

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I dislike Ubuntu now but back then didn't know other distributions :P I have also run Fedora before and a few spins of it like nobara Linux. Codecs are a bit tricky yes.


My opinion: use what you've got.

Without try out stuffs learn MacOS. Is exactly like an avarange Linux... why don't?! ;-)
Do you know how to use Nano? Go to Terminal and learn. Download Homebrew.
I think if you already own it is useless try GNU Linux (GHU is the OS, not Linux...originally GNU was planned to be Mach as is MacOS).
Learn about the developing tool, learn a script or a language.
Learn PHP, learn JSON, learn JavaScript... to me is far more sensical than use another Unix alike, since literally only GUI is different. Learn Swift.
Learn how to use VS Code, learn Python.


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31 Jan 2025, 12:52 am

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Actually MacOS is Unix as is Linux... so to me there's no difference.


It's based on UNIX but it isn't UNIX. Linux is written to be compatible with UNIX but it isn't UNIX either.



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31 Jan 2025, 3:51 am

kokopelli wrote:
AsaboveAsbelow wrote:
Actually MacOS is Unix as is Linux... so to me there's no difference.


It's based on UNIX but it isn't UNIX. Linux is written to be compatible with UNIX but it isn't UNIX either.


Mmmmmmmmmmmh. MacOS is certified so they could sue you for this.
Btw, they are certified for avoid to be sued as well... on Quora he had explain it.


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31 Jan 2025, 6:35 am

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AsaboveAsbelow wrote:
Actually MacOS is Unix as is Linux... so to me there's no difference.


It's based on UNIX but it isn't UNIX. Linux is written to be compatible with UNIX but it isn't UNIX either.


Mmmmmmmmmmmh. MacOS is certified so they could sue you for this.
Btw, they are certified for avoid to be sued as well... on Quora he had explain it.


Thanks for the correction.



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31 Jan 2025, 7:01 am

Technically MacOS is Unix alike and Gnu Linux is Unix like.


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02 Feb 2025, 3:39 pm

I use Arch BTW