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20 Nov 2024, 4:03 am

Just thought bout concept of defining oneself as autistic woman, and if it useful for us to identify ourselves.

I'm a-sexual but since I'm a woman that sounds silly as I made mistake of having sex Nd children. So what my label or pronoun is 'unavailable'

here's my case.

I don't mind sitting in group and taking advice however boyfriends or males who think they are helpful, are darn rude. No, I don't need your advice on my hair, or how to use a camera etc. Etc.

My job description is not to look like your pretty wife, or be defined by your idea of me playing a harp. It's insulting to my intelligence therefore I was a programmer in male dominated industry. But I'm celiac thin, not lesbian and I don't want men hitting on me. I'm strange as sigh autism I don't play sports men usually do, but rather have intellectual ability.

People like me don't want teen daughter's given marijuana or boyfriends, it disruptive to my studies to be able to excel in higher fields where woman need to make a difference.

I don't like regular jobs such as nursing or teaching, not a secretary.

So it's not necessary for men to think I'm interested, or try.



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20 Nov 2024, 11:34 am

You mean you're...

Agender?
Usually that's when pronouns are 'unavailble' or a 'they'.

Specifically... Gender Apathetic?
Like, prefered pronoun: "doesn't matter since you can never misgender me"?

Being more inclined to masculine workplace, apathetic towards gender traditional roles is either irrelevant to one's gender -- or an indication of being trans or at least queer gender.
Not that I have in depth knowledge over this matter.


Because I'm agender.
Without needing to rectify whatever people sees because I genuinely do not care.

I can always play along with beauty standards (which I'm very privileged to never need high maintenance to attain while still centering it around comfort over fashion) and the ability to do domestic stuff; because I see potential skillsets than imposed social roles that I'm socially powerful enough to get out of.

And I tend to use the female gender identity itself to make socialization easier and more predictable.
All because I happened to be born female, surrounded with female figures, I get to observe more about this specific gender role.

This is how I started to figure how to use people's thoughts against them.
How to assert with said gender. How to get away with certain crap. Etc.


I'm also asexual. On top of being aromantic.
It's a separate thing.
And people around me do not understand that I don't have a concept of attraction.

:roll: Just because I understand what aesthetics are or how people would typically thought a person's appearance is attractive.
They mistook me for having high standards. Usually that means my sense of aesthetic judgement is just right. :lol:

Else, I do not care. No, looking at someone doesn't wanna do or date him/her/them/whatever.


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20 Nov 2024, 3:10 pm

What do you have against young women? Why not hold the boys just as accountable? And what do your daughter's teenage years have to do with your studies? She can study with or without men around. They aren't evil, & she doesn't need to be kept hidden away.

Also, what does this have to do with gender (woman/man) or sex (female/male)? Hold her back too much & she won't learn while she's still home (her safety net). Most of my friends were boys & are men.

Ursula wrote:
People like me don't want teen daughter's given marijuana or boyfriends, it disruptive to my studies to be able to excel in higher fields where woman need to make a difference.


You don't have to date anyone you don't want to. & you don't have to defend that. You're allowed to be asexual even after having kids. People change or just don't figure things out until later. But it feels like you're pushing all this onto your daughter, & that's just not healthy for her.

EtA: A lot of these posts feel very degrading of women for no reason. Tearing other women down won't help any of us.



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20 Nov 2024, 3:16 pm

In addition to what others have said, you’ve denigrated teaching and nursing in a couple threads now. They are extremely important and noble professions. What needs to change is society’s perception of them. Actually, that’s already happening in a lot of places. My brother has decided to go to school for nursing. I’m really proud of him.



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31 Dec 2024, 11:34 pm

Blue_Star wrote:
What do you have against young women? Why not hold the boys just as accountable? And what do your daughter's teenage years have to do with your studies? She can study with or without men around. They aren't evil, & she doesn't need to be kept hidden away.

Also, what does this have to do with gender (woman/man) or sex (female/male)? Hold her back too much & she won't learn while she's still home (her safety net). Most of my friends were boys & are men.

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People like me don't want teen daughter's given marijuana or boyfriends, it disruptive to my studies to be able to excel in higher fields where woman need to make a difference.


You don't have to date anyone you don't want to. & you don't have to defend that. You're allowed to be asexual even after having kids. People change or just don't figure things out until later. But it feels like you're pushing all this onto your daughter, & that's just not healthy for her.

EtA: A lot of these posts feel very degrading of women for no reason. Tearing other women down won't help any of us.


On autism forums many Asperger females agree that NT male is bit pushy for sex, that teen years are learning social skills and honestly wouldn't want to find out she's a tramp, but it wouldn't be same as WHO recognises vulnerability in autistic women with regard to sex, pls look it up!

Before letting daughter out, must at least explain how to say no politely, avoiding situations that pressured, sex education, and explain women are not predators in old days, probably still not and how men view women so that at least it was explainrd.



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01 Jan 2025, 2:05 pm

Maybe something was lost in translation, but “tramp” in this context is a sexist slur.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/di ... 20for%20me.

What do you mean by “before letting daughter out?” What ages are you referring to? Is your daughter allowed to have male friends?

Some males (and some people in general) are pushy about sex, certainly not all. I’ve been seeing a lot of generalizations recently about intrinsic characteristics like gender, race, nationality, ethnicity, and hair color.

At any rate, it is good that you’re teaching your daughter about safety. I don’t think anyone here doubts that autistic women often experience abuse. Research and women’s own experiences with violence in its various forms have often been cited and shared on WP.

However, going too far can be counterproductive. Kids can rebel and engage in risky behaviors when parents are overly strict. Also, socializing with male peers can teach one a lot. Friendships can be extremely meaningful no matter what genders are involved.

I think some of my own experiences with abuse stem from not being around boys my own age as I was growing up and from being discouraged from having male friendships into young adulthood, not that anyone but abusers are responsible for their behavior. It’s sort of like I grew up with the notion that men and women are different species which is BS. I was also taught that men can’t fully control themselves which is also BS. It was harmful because when I was mistreated I thought that it was normal until it reached a certain point - a point where it was hard to extricate myself. Cultivating friendships with decent men helped me see things with fresh eyes.

People learn through instruction AND practice. My son and I talk about healthy relationships and such, but he can have friendships with all genders and even date when he decides he wants to because it’s a normal and healthy part of social development. I wouldn’t have different standards for a daughter.



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Today, 8:26 am

As femminist woman I don't get your problems too... are you say men don't get it? Welcome in women world.
But for being a developer or programmator where is the link with being asexual? :?:
I'm a women cis, still I'm a tomboy... this doesn't makes me asexual in no way, I'm proud to be a woman.
Being a woman doesn't means I hate male or trans or whatever, I mean there's no link in your words with us women.
At contrary as woman I do appreciate freedom.
As woman I think a man who feel himself a woman is a woman.
I don't understand.
It could be read as you are misoginy.
I don't: I respect people as human.
I love several people from whole countries, whole ethicity and whatever.
I do think Elisabeth Salander is cis and you described yourself as her. :|
If she wouldn't be cis nothing would change in the plot.
I just don't get the problems with the ones different from you... I do agree if you feel like that but why being misoginy? :cry:

-Qube OS developer is a slavic women, she is also a lot political open and she is rebel;
-one of the greatest Nasa's programmer was a women;
-Bjork, Billie Elish, Janis Joplin.

I mean where's the point?

Don't use autism as excuse for hate! :wink:


Fun fact? I'm pretty afraid about and I know, I'm working against this because it is stupid since there's no link with sexual abuse and be man and it happens women do it too... I do look as a mix between Princess Bubblegum and Lisbeth Salander and Sasori by myself. :mrgreen:


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Today, 8:35 am

TwilightPrincess wrote:
In addition to what others have said, you’ve denigrated teaching and nursing in a couple threads now. They are extremely important and noble professions. What needs to change is society’s perception of them. Actually, that’s already happening in a lot of places. My brother has decided to go to school for nursing. I’m really proud of him.


In Italia our system is one of the strongest because our society see those jobs as more important than others (our laws and politicians go first checking public health care and welfare then other stuffs): no differences between male and female. So, really, especially in hospitals nurses are both man and women and both got a high respect.


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