Page 2 of 2 [ 19 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

carlos55
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 5 Mar 2018
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,000

29 Jan 2025, 7:58 am

BillyTree wrote:
carlos55 wrote:
I simply believe you can’t get to the age that he is and not have a personal mental health crisis while being autistic.

Same with musk

Hf autism / Asperger’s leads to mental health crisis as part of the deal.

Is there anyone on this site for example that can say they never had a mental health crisis?

I can say that for myself. I don't know what's the case with Gates or Musk. But judging from my own example it's not part of the deal. You can have strenghts and talents that helps you dealing with obstacles caused by your autism. It seems to me that when autism is discussed you tend to fall back to the same circular reasoning: "Autistic people are severely handicapped. If you are not severely handicapped you are not actually autistic."


I didn’t say severely handicapped I’m not severely handicapped.

But practically every adult diagnosed has had to deal with mental health problems associated, whether depression, anxiety ocd, obsessive thoughts, sensory overload, for females particularly eating disorders some psychosis maybe and a whole lot more

It’s inconceivable that someone dealing with those issues could become that successful without it being mitigated by something like a very unique and useful talent in sports and entertainment where maybe there is an opportunity for lots of timeout.

No timeout for a CEO

It’s also inconceivable that you could live 70 years without those issues being noticed when the person crashes ( mental health crisis), some odd traits like nerdiness or rocking in a chair not enough

Many aspie adults and hf teens get diagnosed after they crash.

Not sure what they mean by the term neurodiversity as the term gets thrown around a lot usually in ref to autism but in this case probably because maybe the fact that he has an unusual mind which is fair enough


_________________
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends upon the unreasonable man."

- George Bernie Shaw


ASPartOfMe
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2013
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,568
Location: Long Island, New York

Today, 2:30 pm

As long as I have been here very successful people saying they are autistic are doubted in part because “something would have been picked up”. Here on WP younger members often implied older members are not autistic for that reason. That was very much resented.

How Bill Gates knew he was different

Quote:
Bill Gates knew he was different. So did his parents. So did his teachers. Had he been growing up today, he says he likely would have been diagnosed as autistic. "Well, when I'm concentrating now, I'll actually sometimes start rocking, which bothers people without my even, you know, sort of being aware of it. I haven't even outgrown that type of behavior. It's a habit. I mean, [my parents] did put me on a rocking horse to help me go to sleep, they put me in a cradle. So, it's definitely their fault!"

Whether he is or isn't on the spectrum matters little, he says: "I mean, even today there's not, like, some magic medicine that gets rid of the bad part and lets you keep the good part."

He writes that his parents took him to therapy, sent him to private school, and tried to unglue him from his books by getting him into sports, like skiing and even football. "I was forced to," Gates said. "There were three teams. There was the varsity, the JV, and then even below JV. And so, we were the lowest tier. And amongst that third tier, I was semi-decent! But that's all that can be said."


Something was picked up.

Personal Note:
His childhood history has similarities to mine. After 2nd grade my public school told my parents there is nothing we can do for him either home school him or send him to a private school. I believe they were not advised to institutionalize me because my parents were teachers. My mom found a private school. I did see a psychologist. What if anything she diagnosed me with has been lost to history. If it was autism I wonder if my mom was not told because of the stigma surrounding “refrigerator mothers.” No way to find out, notes and records from 60 years ago are probably long gone. My mom did try and socialize me not with sports so much as a klutzy kid who was the shortest kid in class it was obvious that it was a bad idea.

The much smaller classes were a big help. The insurance ran out, my public school took me back for 5th grade. It was too soon, not fun but obviously I survived.


_________________
Professionally Identified and joined WP August 26, 2013
DSM 5: Autism Spectrum Disorder, DSM IV: Aspergers Moderate Severity

“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman


AsaboveAsbelow
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 2 Jan 2025
Gender: Female
Posts: 159
Location: Southern dolomitic, northern mediterranean.

Today, 2:51 pm

I love debate if a person could or not be ASD but ends here... I believe we need to remember if we never had to do with somebody ends here.
You can do your own theories but they are theories.
There's a small difference between theories and cospiracies.


_________________
"Before selling his soul to the painting, he didn’t see it was a caricature He doesn’t seek a pact with the devil if it’s an eternal pain And he lives on the edge between a flying castle and a world inland Now a shadow moves in Italy, stealing while pretending to be a parody Do you know a road, perhaps a secondary one? Gondolier, take him away"
Rancore - Arlecchino