Australia’s antisemitic wave escalating and spreading
I'm just not going to act like they were seeking to terrorize the general population because of their discussion with a troll from a gleefully genocidal nation. Him using their "counter-trolling" as propaganda is what incited terror. They handed terrible people a propaganda win.
the Israeli knew he hit gold with these two (they have unwittingly given this guy more publicity than Andrew tate he could ever dream of getting this much airtime). But again, go to the unedited script, the nurses could not possibly have known he was a troll before they began their hate speech. He never actually initiated it, but once the nurses started their tirade he of course kept feeding them, but he's not the reason for their very deep set hatred. that's 100% them.
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You're missing my point. His choice to draw attention is what incited fear.
Lots of people say all sorts of hateful s**t on the internet, but the average 4chan troll doesn't get their hateful comments broadcast all over the world. It's because they're nurses and because the guy figured it would benefit his cause to amplify their words that it incited fear.
Their words wouldn't have incited fear if they were just anonymous hate mongers like the average 4chan troll.
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I don't dispute Max Veifer was setting them up when he disclosed he was Israeli. He was waiting for them to fall for his trap and they took the bait. But I think you are giving the nurses too much leeway in this situation. For one thing, were they even allowed by their employer to use Omegle during work hours? while on hospital grounds? dressed in their uniform. Even if they weren't recorded, I've seen Omegle users find the location and even the names of other people whom they link to so what they were doing could easily be reported to the hospital they were working in.
the author is a member of the greens party is which predominantly pro-Palestine
I'll quote the only part of the article actually relevant to this this thread
"The spate of recent graffiti has shown that anti-semitism is a serious issue that hurts Jewish people and spreads fear.
But there is so far no evidence that the graffiti incidents have anything at all to do with protests or dissent. Birenbaum’s definition of anti-semitic behaviour includes pro-Palestinian protests and the activities of intellectuals, artists, fellow Jews and others who support Palestinians. He regards Israeli and Australian national interests as inseparable."
I should also point out there is no information as to who is instigating the spate of anti-Jewish attacks are. Birenbaum is wrong to conflate pro-Palestinian protests with the attacks but I can understand how Jewish people living in Australia get triggered fighting a war of prejudice on multiple fronts.
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It seems like they're triggered because they support Israel's atrocities and take the criticism of Israel's indefensible actions as a personal attack, rather than a fair critique of a country they don't even live in.
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that's not true, the people being targeted for these hate attacks are orthodox and many aren't zionists.
this from our pro-Palestine left wing prime-minister.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-02-12/ ... /104925898
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that's not true, the people being targeted for these hate attacks are orthodox and many aren't zionists.
Wouldn't actual violent attacks only be one front among many in those multiple fronts you described earlier?
A big portion of the "prejudice" is any narrative that doesn't regard Israel as the designated good guy that can do no wrong.
They should be protected from violent assaults, but that protection shouldn't extend to shutting down criticism of Israel, or expressing concerns over the loyalty of dual-citizens, or criticisms of Israel's conduct when pursuing their war against the Palestinian people or other legitimate concerns.
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Criticising Netanyahu and his policies and criticising the IDF is one thing, getting a free pass to says "jews are..." is another.
the problem with the anti-Jewish hate that seems to be out of control in Australia (even our prime minister has said this) is that the line between being pro-Palestinian and antisemitic is getting blurry.
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Not getting blurry, is blurry. This results in people assuming that all anti zionists and pro Palestinian activists are antisemites, antisemites successfully using anti zionism to hide their antisemitism making it very difficult to call out antisemitism, and assumptions that people calling out antisemitism are using antisemitism for Islamophobic reasons and to cancel all criticism of Israel.
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Prominent Muslim groups claim reaction to Sydney nurses video is ‘selective outrage’
The edited video, which was posted by Israeli influencer Max Veifer, sparked widespread condemnation, including by the prime minister, Anthony Albanese, who called the footage “sickening and shameful”.
The video features nurse Ahmad Rashad Nadir saying he had sent Israeli patients to “Jahannam” or hell. The woman in the video, nurse Sarah Abu Lebdeh, when asked by Veifer what she would do if an Israeli patient attended the hospital, said: “I won’t treat them, I will kill them.”
The coalition of Muslim groups said in a statement on Sunday the “speed, intensity and uniformity of responses from certain political leaders and media outlets” was “revealing”.
They said the same voices that condemned the nurses had “provided active diplomatic and journalistic cover for ongoing crimes by the Zionists”.
The coalition said: “This statement is not about defending inappropriate remarks. It is about pushing back against the double standards and moral manipulation at play while the mass killing of our brothers and sisters in Gaza is met with silence, dismissal, or complicity.”
The Muslim Vote – established in response to community anger at Labor’s handling of the war in Gaza – plans to back candidates in Watson, Blaxland and Werriwa in this year’s federal election.
Signatories included mainstream bodies such as the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils and the Islamic councils of Victoria and Western Australia, as well as more controversial groups such as Hizb Ut-Tahrir Australia and the Al Madina Dawah Centre in Bankstown and its founder, Wissam Haddad.
Separately, other Muslim organisations and medical professionals have condemned the nurses’ remarks without reservation.
The coalition of Muslim groups also attacked what they described as the “weaponisation” of antisemitism, saying criticism of and “frustrations” with Israel should not be conflated with hatred towards the Jewish community.
They said that the “frustration and anger directed at Israel is a direct response to its violent and inhumane policies – not an expression of hatred towards Jewish people”.
Attempts to weaponise accusations of antisemitism to silence dissent are not only intellectually dishonest but also dangerous.”
The group said the statements made by the nurses in the video, which included alluding to killing Israelis that presented to the hospital, were “clearly emotional and hyperbolic”.
NSW Police say investigations into the video and the two nurses are ongoing.
The former Labor senator Fatima Payman earlier claimed in an Instagram post there were “double standards” in the reactions to the video.
She said what nurses’ remarks were “wrong”.
“No one should be ever be denied medical care based on their race, religion or nationality. There is never an excuse for that.”
However, Payman claimed there was not “the same level of anger and vitriol when the roles are reversed”.
“When Muslims face discrimination, when Islamophobic or anti-Palestine attacks happen where is the prime minister? Where is the full scale media outrage?
“This is the double standards that must end. If we’re to condemn one, we must condemn the other, otherwise we’re not standing for justice, we’re just picking sides.”
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Yeah I read this. the level of public outrage over the nurses comments has naturally stirred anger. the optics are terrible. two nurses, one in a hijab and one an Afghan refugee gloating that "they have" killed jewish patients in their care. Here's the thing, people aren't buying the response from these peak muslim bodies. How would they know what these nurses have done? It's more likely, they are reacting because it has ruined the public image of islam in Australia.
these nurses have told their lawyers it was a joke, their families naturally stand by them, but muslim groups simply saying "its just a joke" actually have no idea, they are simply parroting what their lawyers have said.
I am waiting to see the finalisation of police investigations. the Afghan man apparently told his housemate to delete files on his computer from hospital (he may have self-harmed and was hospitalised). the housemate did the right thing and reported this and I believe the police are going through his computer and phone records. the woman's patients records should also be checked to see if there were anything unusual that happened specifically to jewish patients.
this is a really serious accusation and for muslim groups to drag Palestine into what is a criminal investigation looks really bad to me.
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this is a really serious accusation and for muslim groups to drag Palestine into what is a criminal investigation looks really bad to me.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/is ... 216-p5kymv
https://islamophobia.com.au/publication ... r-reports/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamop ... _Australia
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this has nothing to do islamophobia. Sorry that's a red herring.
Police have taken the threats/allegations seriously as a potential criminal act, two people who are in positions of care for elderly and sick Jewish people claiming to have deleted aforementioned patients because they are Jewish. Nobody is laughing. It's not funny. Now the entire health sector has to spend millions of dollars investigating potential acts of antisemitism in hospitals, not to mention families of Jewish patients who passed away in that hospital will want full investigations into the care for their loved ones.
this isn't Israel, it's Australia. there are no free passes for nurses to breach their oath/code of ethics and boast about killing patients. And in line with this thread (again for umpteeth time I'm the only one sticking to the thread topic) this is adding to the tension Jewish Australians are already experiencing with the spate of hate crimes in the past few months.

https://scanloninstitute.org.au/sites/d ... Report.pdf
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