Having a Bank Account
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You can also overpay your energy bills to keep a portion of your real savings hidden from prying eyes. Or lend it to trusted family members. Or buy antiques. Could put it into bitcoin, but that might get devalued.
Canada did a similar thing with our money about 10 years ago and switched over to plastic notes, but I believe paper money is still legal tender here. I remember receiving a paper 5 dollar bill as change within the last couple of years, so I guess a handful are still in circulation.
Hi Kitty,
You may want to go to your local coin shop and buy silver using cash and you can keep the silver at your house or apartment in a safe. Buying silver would protect your purchasing power versus having all your cash under the mattress because inflation eats into the purchasing power of the dollar. You could just sell your silver back to the coin shop when you need the cash.
You can also overpay your energy bills to keep a portion of your real savings hidden from prying eyes. Or lend it to trusted family members. Or buy antiques. Could put it into bitcoin, but that might get devalued.
Having more than 2,000 dollars in antiques and/or bitcoin or any other assets would cause the OP to lose their SSI.
If they knew about it. Would that automatically be the case?
You can also overpay your energy bills to keep a portion of your real savings hidden from prying eyes. Or lend it to trusted family members. Or buy antiques. Could put it into bitcoin, but that might get devalued.
Canada did a similar thing with our money about 10 years ago and switched over to plastic notes, but I believe paper money is still legal tender here. I remember receiving a paper 5 dollar bill as change within the last couple of years, so I guess a handful are still in circulation.
If I remember right, paper money was legal tender in shops until a certain date. After that it got progressively harder to dispose of it at the face value. Eventually it got to a point where the only way was to go to London. You could swap it for plastic locally, but there was a charge for that. Towards the end of one of my long stays in the US, I was seriously worried about whether or not I'd be able to get home from Heathrow. My bank cards had also expired during my absence, and the banks have been known to block cards on the grounds of disuse.
You can also overpay your energy bills to keep a portion of your real savings hidden from prying eyes. Or lend it to trusted family members. Or buy antiques. Could put it into bitcoin, but that might get devalued.
Having more than 2,000 dollars in antiques and/or bitcoin or any other assets would cause the OP to lose their SSI.
If they knew about it. Would that automatically be the case?
Yes, the OP would pretty much lose SSI if they went over 2,000 dollars in assets.
If you are getting SSI then yes, there is the strict $2000 asset limits. There is also SSDI(Social Security Disability Insurance), which is more a disability insurance type thing and thus has different rules. No bank account limits with SSDI, unless you are getting SSI as well which some people do. To qualify for SSDI you have to have a work history documented by the SSA along with an accepted and proven disability(or blindness). Yes, autism can qualify for SSDI if it meets certain requirements. Most of the autistic community, however, doesn't have a good enough work history to qualify for SSDI.
There are benefits to SSI and SSDI, it just depends on the individual and their needs. SSI income does not count as income for Medicaid, meaning they typically qualify. SSDI does count against Medicaid, which can cause people to no longer qualify for it. I myself fall in this category, I get SSDI for 2 degenerated discs in my back and do not get Medicaid because of my monthly SSDI 'income'. I like getting SSDI because they leave me alone and I don't have to give up control over parts of my life for it that I would for SSI.
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If they knew about it. Would that automatically be the case?
Yes, the OP would pretty much lose SSI if they went over 2,000 dollars in assets.
What I mean is, would they automatically know?
Thank you, I hadn't heard of the ABLE accounts before and always welcome learning about things new to me. After reading about them I realized I was never told about it because I don't qualify for a few reasons and I got my disability diagnosis before it became a law in 2014. Depending on your own personal circumstances however, this may very well be perfect for you and hopefully regaining some independence and personal space.
SSA website- spotlight on ABLE accounts
The designated beneficiary of an ABLE account is the eligible individual who owns the ABLE account. They must be:
receiving Supplemental Security Income (SSI) based on blindness or disability that began before age 26;
in SSI suspense due solely to excess income or resources but otherwise eligible for SSI based on blindness or disability that began before age 26;
receiving disability insurance benefits (DIB), childhood disability benefits (CDB), or widow’s with disabilities or widower’s benefits (DWB) based on blindness or disability that began before age 26; or
the subject of a disability certification.
A disability certification, to be signed by the individual or someone else establishing the ABLE account for the individual:
Certifies that the individual is blind or has a physical or mental impairment that results in marked and severe functional limitations and that such blindness or disability began before age 26;
Includes a certification that the individual has a copy of the diagnosis relating to their relevant impairment(s), signed by a physician.
Conditions on SSA’s “List of Compassionate Allowances Conditions” are deemed to meet the requirements for filing a disability certification if the condition was present and produced marked and severe functional limitations before the individual attained age 26.
Note:We do not determine ABLE eligibility.
An eligible individual may have only one ABLE account.
A contribution is the deposit of funds into an ABLE account. Any person may contribute to an ABLE account for an eligible beneficiary. Typically, contributions for an ABLE account may not exceed the annual gift tax exemption ($19,000 in 2025). However, if the beneficiary is working, and they or their employer are not making certain retirement plan contributions, the beneficiary may contribute an additional amount equal to the lesser of their annual compensation or the individual Federal Poverty Level for a one-person household in their state of residence for the prior calendar year (which for 2024, would be $14,580 in the continental US, $18,210 in Alaska, and $16,770 in Hawaii). For 2025 the additional amounts are $15,650 in the continental US, $19,550 in Alaska, and $17,990 in Hawaii.
A distribution is the withdrawal from an ABLE account. Distributions are only to or for the benefit of the designated beneficiary.
A person with signature authority can establish and control an ABLE account for a designated beneficiary who is a minor child or is otherwise incapable of managing the account.
A representative payee with signature authority may place benefits into an ABLE account when they determine that it is in the beneficiary’s best interest. Representative payees who choose to place benefits in an ABLE account must follow our general payee rules for managing benefits. There are no exceptions to our payee rules for ABLE accounts.
Qualified disability expenses (QDE) are expenses made for the benefit of the designated beneficiary and related to their disability, including, but not limited to:
Education;
Housing;
Transportation;
Employment training and support;
Assistive technology and related services;
Health;
Prevention and wellness;
Financial management and administrative services;
Legal fees;
Expenses for ABLE account oversight and monitoring;
Funeral and burial; and,
Basic living expenses.
A rollover is one the following:
The distribution of all or some of the funds from one ABLE account to the ABLE account of the designated beneficiary or a member of their family; or
A limited amount from a qualified tuition plan (also called a 529 plan) to the SSI applicant, recipient, or deemor’s ABLE account.
A program-to-program transfer is:
the entire balance of an ABLE account into an ABLE account of the same designated beneficiary in which the first ABLE account is closed upon the transfer of the funds; or
part or all of the balance to an ABLE account of an eligible individual who is a member of the family of the designated beneficiary.
TREATMENT OF ABLE UNDER FEDERAL MEANS-TESTED PROGRAMS
SSI Program
Medicaid Program
Medicaid Payback Provision
SSI Program
We disregard the first $100,000. Only assets above $100,000 count as a resource. If an ABLE balance exceeds $100,000 by an amount that causes you to exceed the SSI resource limit -- whether alone or with other resources, we suspend the SSI payment until the countable resources are below the allowable limit.
Medicaid Program
A beneficiary's Medicaid continues when an SSI recipient's ABLE account exceeds $100,000 by an amount that causes the recipient to exceed the SSI resource limit--whether alone or with other resources. The recipient retains eligibility for Medical Assistance (Medicaid) without a time limit as long as he or she remains otherwise eligible. If ABLE resources above $100,000 cause an individual to exceed the resource limit, then Medicaid continues uninterrupted. If non-ABLE resources over $100,000 cause an individual to exceed the resource limit, Medicaid is suspended.
Medicaid Payback Provision
A portion or all of the balance remaining in the ABLE account of a deceased designated beneficiary must be distributed to a State that files a claim against the designated beneficiary or the ABLE account itself with respect to benefits provided to the designated beneficiary under that State's Medicaid plan. The payment of such claim (if any) will be made only after providing for the payment from the designated beneficiary's ABLE account of the designated beneficiary's funeral and burial expenses and all outstanding payments due for their other qualified disability expenses, and will be limited to the amount of the total medical assistance paid for the designated beneficiary after the establishment of the ABLE account over the amount of any premiums paid, whether from the ABLE account or otherwise by or on behalf of the designated beneficiary, to a Medicaid Buy-In program. After the expiration of the applicable statute of limitations for filing Medicaid claims against the designated beneficiary's estate, a qualified ABLE program may distribute the balance of the ABLE account to the successor designated beneficiary or, if none, to the deceased designated beneficiary's estate. Some States have taken steps to limit payback. See state plan disclosure documents for specific details.
I would definitely suggest you get assistance looking into this, especially since it seems designed to benefit you and your well being in life.
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[quote="Kitty4670"]There is a way I can save more money with an ABLE account, someone from WP told me about ABLE accounts, ABLE is for disabled people & they let you keep more money, I still don't know how, with ABLE you can have over $2,000.[/quoof te]
You can have 100,000 dollars in ABLE account. Also you can pretty much have unlimited amount of money in a trust fund if your parents want to do that. However it would take several years to fully fund your able account because of the gift tax.
You can have 100,000 dollars in ABLE account. Also you can pretty much have unlimited amount of money in a trust fund if your parents want to do that. However it would take several years to fully fund your able account because of the gift tax.
In 2025 the gift tax exclusion is $19,000. Does that mean that there is a cap on how much anyone can deposit per year, or just how much that someone can deposit tax free? If it's a cap, I wonder if and the monthly SSI check affects it.
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You can have 100,000 dollars in ABLE account. Also you can pretty much have unlimited amount of money in a trust fund if your parents want to do that. However it would take several years to fully fund your able account because of the gift tax.
In 2025 the gift tax exclusion is $19,000. Does that mean that there is a cap on how much anyone can deposit per year, or just how much that someone can deposit tax free? If it's a cap, I wonder if and the monthly SSI check affects it.
I think you may be free to put gifts over 19 grand in ABLE account per year but taxes would have to be paid. I may be wrong though.It would take the OP about 5 to 6 years to fill the ABLE account if they stayed with the gift tax exclusion amount.