Who won if anybody the Gaza war?

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I don't want to hijack with too much attention on this tangent, but Canada didn't even exist at the time.

The US failed in it's war aims but didn't get curb stomped as badly as they could have, causing Americans to often treat 1812 like a second war of independence that they won by virtue of surviving and not losing any territory.

The Brits barely even remember the conflict.

Canada's identity was birthed by surviving the conflict and avoiding being annexed by the US, but it's hard to say an entity that barely existed at the beginning won when it didn't even have agency throughout the conflict.

Based on the replies the assumption people seemingly made from the title is that there has to be a winner. The title said "Who If Anybody Won The Gaza War?

Everybody involved in any way lost.

Hamas has been seriously degraded as a military force. They not only might have underestimated Israel's response but they overestimated Hezbollah's response. They expected Hezbollah to join them on their 10/07/23 rampage. If Israel was invaded also by the then much stronger Hezbollah, the completely caught-by-surprise Israel might have been done for right then and there.

Hezbollah was seriously degraded and Iran was degraded and exposed. The degradation of Assad's allies probably sped up his political demise.

All of Israel's enemies have been downgraded yet they still lost. They so far have failed in their objective to destroy Hamas
The hostage release fiasco demonstrates despite being seriously degraded Hamas is still playing Israel like a fiddle. Israel's reaction to 10/7 has resulted in them becoming a partial pariah state. Arguably with Trump, this might not matter for a while but the strongest anti-Israeli feeling is among the generation that will take power in 20 years. Jews by their support and association with Israel have received the blowback. Antisemites got their permission slip and with surging anti-zionism, they got a plausible explanation. Besides the public harassment and vandalism in some circles, Jewish-themed projects are seen as too risky.

The winner has been Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham(HTS) who was not involved in any way.

Senior Hamas politburo member Moussa Abu Marzouk said he would not have backed the October 7, 2023, invasion and onslaught in southern Israel if he had known what the consequences would be for the Gaza Strip, in an interview with The New York Times that was conducted on Friday and published on Monday.

“If it was expected that what happened would happen, there wouldn’t have been October 7,” Abu Marzouk said, asserting that — though he claimed to not have been privy to the exact details of the planned assault — he could not have brought himself to approve it, knowing what he knows now.

The statement of regret marked a departure from previous statements by Hamas officials. A few weeks after the invasion, for example, politburo member Ghazi Hamad publicly declared that October 7 was “just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth,” saying, “we are ready to pay” the price, and vowing to continue until Israel was totally annihilated

And in the weeks since a hostage release-ceasefire deal was reached last month, Hamas and its allies have also repeatedly called the war a “victory” for their cause.

Indeed, Abu Marzouk’s remarks were quickly countered by Hamas spokesman Hazem Qassem, who said: “The occupation’s aggressive and destructive behavior is the cause of the destruction in Gaza. The October 7 epic marks a strategic turning point in the Palestinian national struggle.”

In a statement issued a short while later by the group itself, Hamas claimed Abu Marzouk’s comments were “incorrect and taken out of context.”

“The interview was conducted a few days ago and the published statements did not reflect the full content of the answers,” the terror group contended.

In the interview, Abu Marzouk said Hamas’s survival, despite Israel’s campaign in Gaza, constituted a “kind of victory,” comparing the group, which has been the de facto government of Gaza since taking over from the Palestinian Authority in a 2007 coup, to a regular person who has survived a boxing match with heavyweight champion Mike Tyson — but he said that in absolute terms, it would be “unacceptable” to call the war a win for the terror group.

“We’re talking about a party [Israel] that lost control of itself and took revenge against everything,” Abu Marzouk claimed. “That is not a victory under any circumstances.”