How respond to implied "lower rank" in casual chats?

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__Elijahahahaho
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26 Feb 2025, 10:57 am

I randomly see an acquaintance from the library on the street.

I make a joke about "breaking the 4th wall" etc.
Then i was thinking about something I wanted to ask, and she says

"you can go now".

This suggests a "authority-disciple" structure, and while I am willing to brush this
off as a joke, this has happened with another woman who said
"you are dismissed".

i just find this kind of weird, and wonder if and how I should counter this.



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26 Feb 2025, 11:33 am

I'd assume that they do not want to chat or be friends with you for whatever reason. I would just say By & leave & in the future not initiate chit-chat/random conversation with them. Trying to respond to those statements could upset them & it's not worth having an argument.


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26 Feb 2025, 2:37 pm

I've noticed patronising behaviour from casual acquaintances, but never as blatantly as those examples. I'm tempted to think they were joking, and I guess if it happened to me then I'd have laughed, and if that upset them, I'd know I'd been dealing with an elitist pig.

I once tried a similar kind of humour myself, at work. I can't remember the exact context, but I put on a snooty accent and said "well, I am senior technician." To my surprise and dismay, they took it seriously and called me out for thinking myself above them. I still don't know why they didn't see the joke.

I did get away with telling a lawn-mowing man in the USA, "Get on with your work," but he was very into taking the mickey out of British snobbery, and continued the joke by saying something very subservient. I remember feeling I was taking a bit of a risk when I made that remark to him.

My general advice for dealing with patronising behaviour is to subvert, ridicule and undermine it, as long as you don't particularly need that person's co-operation, and even if you do, it might be worth the risk.

There was a guy at work who lampooned the manager's patronising words with an impression of Igor from the Frankenstein movies and the remark "yes, master." I laughed out loud, couldn't help it. He was in a high enough position to get away with it. Technically I wasn't, but AFAIK I got away with it too. I was a valued worker, though the manager never admitted it to me. She was unusual - often condescending to your face but if she approved of you she would speak highly of you behind your back. It took me a while to find that out. My respect for her went up when I did.



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26 Feb 2025, 3:28 pm

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I'm tempted to think they were joking,


Unfortunately given the off-hand nature, and pervasiveness here I sadly just think they are all
obsessed with hierarchy and being narcissists.



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26 Feb 2025, 3:42 pm

__Elijahahahaho wrote:
This suggests a "authority-disciple" structure, and while I am willing to brush this
off as a joke, this has happened with another woman who said
"you are dismissed".


Sorry this just gave me Hogan's heroes vibes. I'm wondering if we are losing something in translation from German? is this the equivalent in English of a senior staff member saying "ok that's all for now, I've got another meeting". Or is English a little more refined in niceties but effectively similarly dismissing a lower ranked individual?



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26 Feb 2025, 3:50 pm

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Or is English a little more refined in niceties but effectively similarly dismissing a lower ranked individual?


They know what it means. They even use english expressions sporadically in between German. I spoke to a local and she said she would also be offended and told me to see it as a "no" to the relationship, and forgive them. Then she told me about her good friend dumped her for "better friends" and she had to forgive her friend also. It's just a fairly toxic hierarchical social environment where people treat friends as a scarce commodity, but also only have a few friends.

Sadly most of the workplaces are abusive and this is where it comes from. Left over from soviet times. I have heard "I want to murder my boss", and "I would have killed myself if I hadn't found this job", on several occasions.



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26 Feb 2025, 3:53 pm

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Hogan's heroes vibes.

Can you share a video or describe what you mean by this?



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26 Feb 2025, 4:04 pm

__Elijahahahaho wrote:
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I'm tempted to think they were joking,


Unfortunately given the off-hand nature, and pervasiveness here I sadly just think they are all
obsessed with hierarchy and being narcissists.

Ah, Germany.......it does kind of remind me of the stereotype - the love of hierarchy and order. But I doubt that's a good explanation. Stereotypes rarely have much truth in them.



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26 Feb 2025, 4:10 pm

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Yesterday, 5:52 am

They may have been trying to use a line that they saw on TV that they thought was amusing as a way of indicating they wished to end the conversation. They may not have understood how it could be taken especially if someone had not seen the same TV show.



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"hey"?



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Yesterday, 10:41 am

Dismiss, mirror them all the same.
But never explain, never say any more.

Cut any prospecting thoughts (unless it's urgent or that you know what you're doing) because having those means you still need them and they still have the last say.

Have the last say.



Me?
Actually, I'm more of a perpetrator of such interaction than the target.

I do not recommend battling with an ego on this one unless at least half of the entire room is on your side.


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Yesterday, 10:55 am

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Dismiss, mirror them all the same.
But never explain, never say any more.

Cut any prospecting thoughts (unless it's urgent or that you know what you're doing) because having those means you still need them and they still have the last say.

Have the last say.


The problem is I won't have any friends. Many people do this at random and then are quite pleasant at other times.

I think it's a complicated "framing"/"social game" thing. Like they don't "reject you", they just keep abusing you until you go away, but normal relationships also have this kind of "testing".



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Yesterday, 11:57 am

Ok I spoke to the person again, and it was meant literally, no status.
She thought I was going somewhere and she was keeping me there.



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Yesterday, 3:54 pm

__Elijahahahaho wrote:
Ok I spoke to the person again, and it was meant literally, no status.
She thought I was going somewhere and she was keeping me there.

Interesting. Myself, I prefer "I'd better let you get on," which is somewhat popular in England. Taken literally, there's little difference between that and "you're dismissed," but for some reason the former feels less potentially offensive to my ears, though I guess if somebody was really prone to being offended then they could think "what do they mean, let me get on? Do they think they have the authority to stop me getting on?" I guess offense can be very much in the eye of the beholder.