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02 Jan 2025, 2:47 pm

My advice is to stay where you are but just try to improve your situation.

You could move to Europe but you wouldn't have your support network as an autistic person so would be completely on your own.

Its unlikely Trump politics will impact you, most of the stuff mentioned about him is just over exaugurated anyway by the media, even that is dying down

You would be crazy to move to Libya totally nuts, same for any other M Eastern country so don't do that


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02 Jan 2025, 8:53 pm

If you can't leave the U.S., you might try moving to a blue state.



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03 Jan 2025, 1:30 am

Elensar wrote:
If you can't leave the U.S., you might try moving to a blue state.


It wouldn't matter, because the MAGAs have control of all three branches of government.


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20 Feb 2025, 11:54 pm

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For moving in Europe is quite easy, you don't require nothing except Visa and follow rules (which looks you are ok with) then find a job.

I might be needing a green card pretty soon... :oops:




...just kidding...





....I think?


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21 Feb 2025, 12:00 am

carlos55 wrote:
My advice is to stay where you are but just try to improve your situation.

You could move to Europe but you wouldn't have your support network as an autistic person so would be completely on your own.

Its unlikely Trump politics will impact you, most of the stuff mentioned about him is just over exaugurated anyway by the media, even that is dying down

You would be crazy to move to Libya totally nuts, same for any other M Eastern country so don't do that

I agree. As somebody who has lived abroad, I can tell you that it's a lot harder than people often times think. It's a bit easier if you do speak a good amount of the local language, but just about everything winds up taking more time and energy than it would back at home. I personally was better off socially in some ways, but even just basic stuff like grocery shopping and traveling was more of a pain.

Depending upon the country, there can be a bunch of extra rules that they expect you to follow that you're not used to and may not make any sense. And, the process of getting a permanent visa or citizenship varies a lot and requires a lot of effort to make sure you know how the process goes and some consideration for what happens if you change your mind about making it permanent. The last thing one would want is to leave a country because of a temporary political situation only for that to be resolved and then be stuck exiled and potentially need to renaturalize.



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21 Feb 2025, 12:07 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
Elensar wrote:
If you can't leave the U.S., you might try moving to a blue state.


It wouldn't matter, because the MAGAs have control of all three branches of government.


We don't know how that's going to shake out. So far the courts are smacking the Feds down in just about every proceeding and Trump's health is unlikely to be good enough for him to finish out the term. What's more, there's been spending reductions targeting the states that he used to win the election, which could very well lead to a backlash against anybody that's backing this nonsense. Stuff like all those veterans losing their jobs because they were probationary federal employees, Georgia not getting the disaster funds that Biden had approved, medicaid losing funding and prices on groceries not improving.

I don't have any idea where this is going, but anybody who says that this is a long term change to American politics where we're not going to be voting any more or the like, probably isn't worth listening to. I'm sure that during the Red Scare of the '50s that people felt similarly like that was going to last forever. From what I can tell, the peak of that was only about 5 years.



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21 Feb 2025, 12:31 pm

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
I don't have any idea where this is going, but anybody who says that this is a long term change to American politics where we're not going to be voting any more or the like, probably isn't worth listening to. I'm sure that during the Red Scare of the '50s that people felt similarly like that was going to last forever. From what I can tell, the peak of that was only about 5 years.

Well even Hitler's power eventually came to an end, but look at how long Putin's term has been...guy's been in power since I was in high school, and he's pulling all the strings here.


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21 Feb 2025, 2:44 pm

SabbraCadabra wrote:
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I don't have any idea where this is going, but anybody who says that this is a long term change to American politics where we're not going to be voting any more or the like, probably isn't worth listening to. I'm sure that during the Red Scare of the '50s that people felt similarly like that was going to last forever. From what I can tell, the peak of that was only about 5 years.

Well even Hitler's power eventually came to an end, but look at how long Putin's term has been...guy's been in power since I was in high school, and he's pulling all the strings here.


Hitler ate vegetables. Trump, does not seem to eat vegetables and definitely does not exercise. It's not a particularly apt comparison when your linchpin figure, the sine non qua is likely to keel over at any time from the results of cardiovascular disease.

What's more, if people that disagree opt to flee the country, it just increases the likelihood that the next figure will be able to cobble together a coalition to continue without necessarily need 100% of the MAGA folks on board.



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21 Feb 2025, 5:56 pm

In response to the op, if they're still here, with TESOL, masters in education and Arabic, you do have skills in demand in other countries. I'm from the UK originally, and I'm pretty sure there would be schools in parts of London or other cities with large immigrant populations who could use someone like you.

I believe the trick is to already be in the country or at least within Europe when you apply for such jobs so that you can attend a face-to-face interview. So you have to go over as a TESOL teacher on a scheme or something like that to be in the country. Once there, you can check out ways to get a working visa, apply for jobs, attend interviews, maybe ask if employers will sponsor you to get a visa.

I know it is not easy, I might have been able to do that sort of thing when younger but not nowadays. And there are no guarantees, you might get something within 2 months or it might take a year or more and several trips.

Edit: forgot to say, Australia might be an option too, you can come for a year on a working holiday visa and check out opportunities. We have a bit of a problem with a fascist resurgence here, too, but still (marginally) hanging onto a public healthcare system and decent working conditions.



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23 Feb 2025, 10:23 pm

There are other places than Europe to use your teaching qualifications. You say you're not interested in the Middle East, but that's a possibility. Investigate East Asia--Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, and Indonesia. All are different and have their own advantages and disadvantages. Latin America is another option. Good luck.


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01 Mar 2025, 6:30 pm

carlos55 wrote:
My advice is to stay where you are but just try to improve your situation.

You could move to Europe but you wouldn't have your support network as an autistic person so would be completely on your own.

Its unlikely Trump politics will impact you, most of the stuff mentioned about him is just over exaugurated anyway by the media, even that is dying down

You would be crazy to move to Libya totally nuts, same for any other M Eastern country so don't do that


I already have no support structure.



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01 Mar 2025, 6:30 pm

MrsPeel wrote:
In response to the op, if they're still here, with TESOL, masters in education and Arabic, you do have skills in demand in other countries. I'm from the UK originally, and I'm pretty sure there would be schools in parts of London or other cities with large immigrant populations who could use someone like you.

I believe the trick is to already be in the country or at least within Europe when you apply for such jobs so that you can attend a face-to-face interview. So you have to go over as a TESOL teacher on a scheme or something like that to be in the country. Once there, you can check out ways to get a working visa, apply for jobs, attend interviews, maybe ask if employers will sponsor you to get a visa.

I know it is not easy, I might have been able to do that sort of thing when younger but not nowadays. And there are no guarantees, you might get something within 2 months or it might take a year or more and several trips.

Edit: forgot to say, Australia might be an option too, you can come for a year on a working holiday visa and check out opportunities. We have a bit of a problem with a fascist resurgence here, too, but still (marginally) hanging onto a public healthcare system and decent working conditions.


Problem is that I'm not in Europe, and have no way to get there.



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01 Mar 2025, 6:46 pm

I moved all the way across the United States from one deep blue state to another with a job offer and enough money to cover a couple months rent.



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Yesterday, 3:15 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
Elensar wrote:
If you can't leave the U.S., you might try moving to a blue state.


It wouldn't matter, because the MAGAs have control of all three branches of government.


We have federalism in this country so states still have a good deal amount of power.Quite a few states are blue and are able to enact anti-republican policies at the state level.The MAGAs dont have control over all 50 states.Maybe the OP should go to a blue state that has a lower cost of living like New Mexico maybe.Maybe try New Mexico, OP.



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Yesterday, 3:05 pm

Texasmoneyman300 wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Elensar wrote:
If you can't leave the U.S., you might try moving to a blue state.


It wouldn't matter, because the MAGAs have control of all three branches of government.


We have federalism in this country so states still have a good deal amount of power.Quite a few states are blue and are able to enact anti-republican policies at the state level.The MAGAs dont have control over all 50 states.Maybe the OP should go to a blue state that has a lower cost of living like New Mexico maybe.Maybe try New Mexico, OP.


Oklahoma is not a blue state. And I can't afford to move.



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I never said Oklahoma was a blue state. Thats why I suggested New Mexico which is a blue state with a lower cost of living than Cali and New York. A move to New Mexico would likely be a lot cheaper than Europe.So why no New Mexico? Do you think you could not afford it.....there's lots of other poor people there and there's a stronger social safety net than Oklahoma.