Masking Is Unsustainable and Imposes Unfair Standards on oth

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08 Feb 2025, 11:02 pm



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08 Feb 2025, 11:07 pm

Imposes Unfair Standards on Other Autists. Sorry, the title ran out



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09 Feb 2025, 7:54 am

I view masking as a tool to get things. It needs to be thought of in that way.

The problems occur when you do it so much that you lose sight that you are using a tool and start believing the mask is who you are.

I don’t have the superpower that makes any masking I do negatively affect my neurokin.


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09 Feb 2025, 9:28 am

I think one of the problems with masking as an openly autistic person is that it makes allistic people think autistic people can "improve" and get less autistic if they just put in the effort. They don't realize that it's acting, takes a lot of hard work and is not a natural behaviour. That said, I mask a lot myself to avoid getting into trouble and not annoy people.


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09 Feb 2025, 9:48 am

I agree. I also think the expectation that we behave in a certain way is ugly.
However there are a lot of uneducated people in the world, and
many of those people cannot eat easily, let alone learn to be tolerant.
So there are always going to be environments where masking will save you
a lot of trouble, so It must be a useful skill.

If you think about it like learning a language it can be ok, just not
the be-all end-all of your identity.

Further, there are some aspects of NT thinking and communication that are actually real advantages,
for example modelling other people's minds. So it's good for the Autist to be humble
and understand that this can be a weakness and where possible take it into account.
So it's not just a matter of demanding people respect you and communicate in a certain way,
different styles for different situations. Eg maybe NT is better for sales or doing a negotiation, but
autist is better at experimental physics.



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11 Feb 2025, 11:51 pm

I do not believe in the concept of "masking" because from where I sit so far, it appears to be lying.
I certainly could be wrong, 100 percent wrong, but my policy is to just be real, be honest and be open to the world as much as is practical.

I do realize that the official definition is the conscious or unconscious actions of an autistic person trying to modify their behavior to appear more "neurotypical" but in the end it's almost never anything like that in practice, which is why I cannot buy into acceptance of it as a valid concept.
It's more wishful thinking and bad acting from what I can gather.



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12 Feb 2025, 2:24 am

Masking is the interface between the autistic and NT world.

Without it life would be harder for us.

Not that it’s not stressful


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20 Feb 2025, 3:19 am

Some of us didn't have a choice. Some of us weren't aware that there was even a name for what we have. Some of us had to pretend not to be ourselves to avoid abuse. Some of us may never be able to receive proper care because we seem "too smart to be autistic" or "don't sound autistic." Some of us can't even find acceptance in many ASD communities because our very practiced masking, or inability to take the mask off, causes us to come across as "tourists" or "ablists."
It's pretty wild to see a marginalized community slip so easily into "othering" their own members for something that is not entirely under their control.


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20 Feb 2025, 6:13 am

adpsquee wrote:
It's pretty wild to see a marginalized community slip so easily into "othering" their own members for something that is not entirely under their control.

It is fairly typical for a number of reasons.

Internalized prejudice
Those with more obvious traits can remind those with less obvious traits of what they are ashamed of about themselves.
Those with more obvious traits may feel jealous of those with less obvious traits and resentful when the latter group takes pride in accomplishments those with more obvious traits can’t obtain.

It’s personal making people passionate about the subject and more inclined to see others with differing views as traitors, fakers, and receiving undeserved help.

An example of this phenomenon much in news is the is the fight between some feminists and trans rights activists.


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20 Feb 2025, 8:21 am

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20 Feb 2025, 7:10 pm

CheckerboardStrangler wrote:
I do not believe in the concept of "masking" because from where I sit so far, it appears to be lying.
I certainly could be wrong, 100 percent wrong, but my policy is to just be real, be honest and be open to the world as much as is practical.

I do realize that the official definition is the conscious or unconscious actions of an autistic person trying to modify their behavior to appear more "neurotypical" but in the end it's almost never anything like that in practice, which is why I cannot buy into acceptance of it as a valid concept.
It's more wishful thinking and bad acting from what I can gather.


I don't see it as lying, it's more a natural process of adjusting to suit oneself to the environment. If growing up one receives a lot of negative feedback on one's behaviour, it's possible to learn how to suppress certain behaviours or divert them to avoid so many negative consequences, to protect oneself.

A basic ability to mask has been a godsend for me in enabling me to pursue a career. It gives me a bit of breathing space while a new employer still thinks I'm NT to be able to demonstrate my worth to the company, before they realise I'm different and they've got an autistic on their hands. By the time they realise, I might be past the probation period and harder to fire.

I'm betraying other autistics by doing this? I don't think so. It is actually educational for an employer to see that they have an autist in the books who can still fulfil the basic requirements of the job - and even perform better than NTs in some ways. My hope is that educating employers will help those who cannot mask to get work also.

And the tick analogy is gross.



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21 Feb 2025, 11:44 am

If masking is lying then everybody who comes to work in a shirt and tie, instead of the hoodie and ripped jeans they prefer is lying.

Pretty much everybody does it but when NT’s do it they call it “acting professional” or “trying to make an impression”. It is harder for us and we need to do it more often.


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10 Mar 2025, 8:21 pm

My perception is there are expectations to communicate effectively. How we communicate can determine the quality of our life, so maybe we should put in the effort to learn how to communicate effectively. Another example I can think of is the expectation of dressing in a certain manner to a formal function. I wouldn’t show up in my jogging suit and running shoes. I think of communication as the same expectation and need to adjust to the situation I am in. Being able to navigate the communication landmines effectively is something I want to achieve. I still find it annoying to listen to neurotypical communication styles for any length of time and get impatient. I am working on this.



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10 Mar 2025, 8:58 pm

I fail to see how blaming people who are better equipped for socially functioning, or more capable of making the effort required in order to socially function is a solution to anything.

You and your interests are irrelevant to those people, instead they're just trying to survive, which they're 100% entitled to do.


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Adamsj123 wrote:
My perception is there are expectations to communicate effectively. How we communicate can determine the quality of our life, so maybe we should put in the effort to learn how to communicate effectively. Another example I can think of is the expectation of dressing in a certain manner to a formal function. I wouldn’t show up in my jogging suit and running shoes. I think of communication as the same expectation and need to adjust to the situation I am in. Being able to navigate the communication landmines effectively is something I want to achieve. I still find it annoying to listen to neurotypical communication styles for any length of time and get impatient. I am working on this.

Welcome to Wrong Planet.

It is worth noting that not all autistics have the ability to learn these communication skills or the ability to use this knowledge effectively. The rest of this post is geared towered those of us who have these skills and the ability to use them.

As you said this is a landmine for autistics. Because it takes a lot more effort to achieve this and because we have to act neurotypical more often we get mentally exhausted more easily. Being exhausted makes us more vulnerable to making the very mistakes we are trying to avoid. Ignoring this mental exhaustion leads to mental illnesses such as being depressed and losing self esteem because we can’t live up to our expectations or losing sight of what is us acting and what is who we are which leads to depersonalization.

If one sends too much voltage to a machine it is either going to blow up or grind to a halt. In humans the former is called a meltdown, the latter a shutdown


None of the above is an argument for giving up, it is both a warning and advice to learn your limits, strengths and weaknesses. If one understands these it makes it “easier” to avoid getting into trouble. It is indeed a catch 22. Do not try hard enough and you do not live up to your potential, try too hard and you will run into problems. Figuring out when trying too hard becomes counterproductive is not easy. It varies often because stressful things come in and out of our lives.

The better one understands ourselves the better our ability to try smarter and the better our self esteem is which makes a big difference in recovering from the inevitable misjudgements and mistakes that will be made.

I hope you are successful in what you are trying to acheive.


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Yesterday, 4:28 am

Autistics who "can" aren't the problem.

The problem is said tool is how it's advertised as "success" without the nuance of how it can cost a person to do it.

The very type that appeals to neurotypicals and integration to their societies into approval while disregarding the human that makes the work.

The kinds that even appeals to a lot of human ideations that many autistics are deprived of to a point of envy as it is associated with the gateway into "having" relationships, careers and safety.


I completely understand the sentiment even at a very young age before I even knew there's a word for it.

But I dug deep enough about the topic that itself, a tool, is as much of a sacrifice that made look like an investment.

And I say I do not envy them who can and forced to "sacrifice" in most of their waking life to keep up whatever they fear or appeal to, regardless of the outcome that brought it.


But yeah, I would definitely hate the idea of convincing every autistics to forced (let alone bullied into) to do this kind of strategy as if the same as those who can afford to.


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