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21 Jan 2025, 11:42 pm

^People who *claim* they are such things exist, but there is next to no evidence that they actually are, nearly all such people are con artists, and the the whole thing is a bunch of pseudoscience.

Claiming autistic kids have supernatural powers as if they're aliens or magical beings is just ridiculous. They're human like everyone else.



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21 Jan 2025, 11:44 pm

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Again, evidence please.


That is for you to find now. :) I think I’ve said enough.



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21 Jan 2025, 11:48 pm

Stargazer99 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:

Again, evidence please.


That is for you to find now. :) I think I’ve said enough.


Translation, you expect me to go down the same rabbit hole of disinformation and come out believing in magic instead of applying critical thinking to the weak and unsubstantiated claims made by the same disinformation peddlers who convinced you.


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21 Jan 2025, 11:57 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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funeralxempire wrote:

Again, evidence please.


That is for you to find now. :) I think I’ve said enough.


Translation, you expect me to go down the same rabbit hole of disinformation and come out believing in magic instead of applying critical thinking to the weak and unsubstantiated claims made by the same disinformation peddlers who convinced you.


I don’t expect anything. Truly. You are free to believe whatever you choose. I research this topic because it interests me and it has helped me to better understand my own experiences, which are not clinically documented and would be irrelevant to you.



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22 Jan 2025, 1:08 am

You seem to be operating under the assumption that this isn't a topic that's ever interested me or that I haven't researched it before.

Stargazer99 wrote:
That is for you to find now.


That comment demonstrates that assumption.

When I was younger I was both interested in and largely open to considering supernatural and paranormal claims. It's still a topic I find interesting, I'm just much more skeptical of many specific claims I once was open to due to the lack of concrete research substantiating them and the much broader research debunking them.

I don't believe in telepathy or clairvoyance in the same way I don't believe in horses who can do math.

People's desire to believe in the paranormal is stronger than all the evidence that it does not exist. It's not something that exists as an open question, it's something that enough research has been done to lean heavily towards an answer existing and that answer being no.

I recognize that people who are emotionally invested in these sorts of beliefs have coping mechanisms for dealing with attempts at debunking those beliefs, but trying to dismiss skepticism as ignorance is a good way to find those coping mechanisms being tested.

I've had to absorb that some of my experiences were grossly misinterpreted by my mind and that the explanation wasn't nearly as ego-satisfying as I'd like to believe, so even the personal experience argument doesn't really carry weight to me. People can experience both hallucinations and delusions. Altered state of experience will always be a more likely explanation for those sorts of claims, although I understand on a personal level how much less satisfying that answer may be and why people are prone to cringe from it.


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23 Jan 2025, 9:07 am

I really wish telepathy is true, regardless of how it might be real or not.

All because I hate words and wording. :lol:
Because of how language itself is unnatural to me; to speak, to read, to write, to listen...

I imagine telepathy's medium as some sort of abstract thoughts and emotions before it's translated into words and pictures, than the commonly thought language and imagery alone.

The interpretation into language and pictures itself won't be a direct translation from the person thinking, but how the other person might interpret and translate it with odds that may or may not be right relatively; more like a paraphrasing than a verbatim.


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23 Jan 2025, 4:56 pm

I will draw on Fenn's posts on what makes for constructive threads.

I find the starting point which is best for me id "Extra-ordinary claims need Extra-ordinary evidence to support them"

It is also helpful to explore all possible ways which could create the condition which is observed or claimed. And attempts to repeat are not wasted time.

Now I do recall much discussion here and elsewhere on how empathy is experienced. I recall many report to tuning in acutely, feeling almost what the other is feeling. Reading the feeling of a group, or not.

I also note the level of detail focus so many of us report, and ability to detect patterns.

My mother reported often somehow knowing when I was upset even when we were apart. I do wonder if my mother had spotted my daily up and down cycles and the subconscious pattern matching was at play rather than somehow me broadcasting some signal which was received by mum. Mum had probably also filed away in her great Music and Maths brain all the sorts of things which could stress me. Sadly without the services of Dr Who to do an observational study it's past the time to get the evidence, extraordinary or otherwise.

One also wonders in the reports through so many cultures and times around such things as clairvoyance and prophecy, how much may have been that autistic pattern matching system over times combined with really sensitive "Threat Pattern" detection, that fast subconscious part of the brain mind system which kept us and other animals (and not just mamals) surviving through evolutionary timescale, which sets of the anxiety systems before the conscious brain even starts processing. One thinks perhaps those who foresaw bad stuff in the future had that system noticing and putting patterns together years before the thing those conditions led to actually happened.

All interesting stuff to ponder.

Humour on : and the pedant in me observes that Telepathy is two Greek words meeting distance feeling and Clairvoyance is from French meaning clear seeing.



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23 Jan 2025, 7:07 pm

^^^^^ The Above ^^^^^

Enhanced Pattern Recognition . :wink:


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10 Mar 2025, 9:25 pm

I listened to the podcast and found it quite amazing. I have witnessed and experienced enough things and events in my life to believe in the very real possibility of it being truly happening.

I did feel that for me too much of the podcast was focused on trying to convince the skeptics, but I can understand why considering how much modern science resists accepting the possibility of telepathy.


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10 Mar 2025, 11:10 pm

I don't believe the problem is that modern science resists accepting the possibility of telepathy, so much as claims of telepathy and clairvoyance don't withstand any degree of scientific scrutiny.

If solid evidence existed, modern science would focus on attempting to understand the phenomenon. Instead it seems that because solid evidence doesn't exist that science ends up being stuck debunking baseless and exaggerated claims.


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Yesterday, 12:23 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
I don't believe the problem is that modern science resists accepting the possibility of telepathy, so much as claims of telepathy and clairvoyance don't withstand any degree of scientific scrutiny.

If solid evidence existed, modern science would focus on attempting to understand the phenomenon. Instead it seems that because solid evidence doesn't exist that science ends up being stuck debunking baseless and exaggerated claims.


The CIA has done extensive research in parapsychology, mind control, telepathy, and other 'psychic' abilities in multiple research programs such as Operation Stargate, MK Ultra, and others we aren't allowed to know about. Unfortunately almost none of the information gained by those often illegal and/or immoral programs has made it out to the world, most was destroyed to cover their illegal activities or hidden away completely and never acknowledged as real. The CIA even admits that telepathy could be real.

TELEPATHY COULD BE REAL-CIA.gov PDF


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Today, 12:28 am

This general subject has been a 'special interest' of mine for most of my life and once I discovered the library. Not only telepathy, but the whole range of psychic abilities and what could make them possible. I wasn't interested in the make believe stuff in fiction books, although they were good, but in reality wherever I could find it translated in a language I could understand. I was looking for answers into who and what I was inside that made me feel this way and have others treat me so poorly: this was before I knew about neurodivergence so all I knew was that everyone thought I was very strange to put it kindly.

The reason why, although I really didn't understand it when I was young, is simple in its complexity. Simple but never easy to explain or prove under heavy scrutiny as it is in the realm of what many call pseudoscience. For as long as I can remember I have been sensitive to the emotional energy of the people around me, very sensitive when I was young and before I learned to shield myself. I didn't understand it at all, thought I was either crazy and/or broken more than once only always proven right in the end. every time. It didn't come with a manual, I wish it did. There was no internet in the early days so I was forced to pursue all my interests and questions in university and public libraries, along with bookstores and anywhere else I found interesting and useful.

I have always been extremely logical and analytical in my thinking so it took awhile before I was mentally willing and able to face the possibility of such things being possible in myself and others. Once I ready to accept however, on that day I began my lifelong pursuit of knowledge and understanding. My knowledge to this point is rudimentary at best, I gladly and freely admit it, but that is because modern science has always mocked and ridiculed the whole concept as imaginary and pseudoscience and thus failed to do any research into the field. I don't remember who said what in a lot of things, that's not how my autistic mind stores information regarding my special interests, I just remember the general information and how it relates.

Early on one of the things I ran into is the concept or idea of auras and people who said they could read others auras and know their emotional state. I was skeptical like everyone at first, and I met many people who I could tell were nothing more than cheap hustlers. I did meet a few people who definitely opened my eyes to the possibility of helping prove to myself that what I was experiencing was real. One woman I knew loved to prove her gift was true, and loved that our impressions and interpretations were often the same. She was the one who taught me that you can only interpret what you understand; she said "There are some colors that I just don't understand for whatever reason, colors that I want to understand. Sometimes when I find the answers they are amazing and sometimes they are horrific, usually they are somewhere in between. They are all always informative and beautiful in their own way."

What makes an aura if they are real, that was my next real goal. Modern science long ago scoffed at the idea so that wasn't of much use, but there are many other theories that provide quite plausible possibilities and realities. Modern science is slowly joining in now, but it is still slow to accept anything that doesn't have physically measurable proof they can hold in their hands. I understood, I am the same way just with a more open mind to the more alternative theoretical possibilities. I always require proof to fully believe anything fully, lots of proof over time. I quickly found that there were many 'eastern philosophies' that offered explanations that answered many questions if true.

They all spoke of actual fields of energy that emanate from, around, and into our bodies. They speak of fields that are generated by our thoughts and emotions, both conscious and unconscious, and our interpretation of them. When people were seeing, or as in my case feeling inside, those auras that is what what was being seen according to these philosophies. I don't know if it's true, but from my own experiences I am slowly learning to believe. It took me time but eventually I began to really believe it was possible. After that my main interest for a long time was simply learning to understand what the feeling meant either through my own experiences or those of the people around me that I could observe and learn from.

During my time studying psychology in college I had an amazing teacher in child psych. I loved her class and the knowledge she was sharing, it was just so early in the morning that my brain wasn't fully engaged yet and I couldn't take great notes. She introduced me to the very real although little understood connection that mothers have with their child. Her personal theory was that the mother and child are subconsciously linked psychically during development in the womb, a link that appears to fade away during language acquisition along with brain development. Why this is extra interesting to me now is because how close it comes to the connection they described in the telepathy tapes between loving mother and loved autistic child.

Fast forward through the boring parts of my my life up to more recent times when I fully embraced my neurodivergence and began to begin learning understand what that meant overall. Modern science has progressed tremendously technologically, and because of that we are now able to see through different imaging tech the neurological differences between the NT and the autistic brain. Scans now show definitely that the autistic brain typically has many more neural pathways than the NT brain, information that has generated several theories about the possible why's and how's.

One of the main prevalent theories is that because of whatever reason the autistic brain doesn't go through full synaptic pruning that the NT brain does. This theory, if true, would almost perfectly explain why some children seem to maintain a psychic bond with their mother long after birth and beyond. If those primal neural pathways aren't trimmed, deactivated, or whatever else to end their connection then logically I must admit to the possibility that they can still be linked. This only give a possible explanation for mother and child however, it doesn't explain anything about the autistic child and the rest of his environment from around him to the expanses of the physical and mental universe. How could and/or would it be possible?

That brings me to my own rudimentary theory up to this point, subject to change as new information becomes available and added to the matrix. One of the side fascinations I had for a brief period because of a TV show and a good friend was different types of antennae's and how different designs tuned to different frequencies. I have read past theories that the human bodies neural network works as a bio-chemical antennae that sends and receives information from the energy fields all around. These theories generally suggest for whatever reason the average human is able to send info but the receiver part is switched of supposedly during early development. Perhaps due to the lack of synaptic pruning it is quite possible that this switch was never fully turned off in the autistic brain.

Then there is the extra neural pathways in the autistic mind, extra pathways that theoretically change the frequency perceived in the mind. I find it quite possible that the physical variations in the actual pattern of our neural network and other factors could cause different people to be naturally tuned in to different external frequencies. For whatever reason I am at least partially connected to what I call the emotional frequency because of my neural pattern. The children in the telepathy tapes, if legitimate of course, could be tuned instead into the mental/thought frequency using the same logic and thus possibly actually able to pick up the thoughts of others.

Honestly though who knows for sure right now, right? I know my theory demands that we take a leap of faith and keep an open mind to any and all possibilities and information, but it is best to have an open mind when facing the unknown. Hopefully western science begins to catch up with the east and begins to seriously put forth the resources and effort to study what is possibly and really going on and either supports or disproves my theory. If nothing else hopefully the telepathy tapes open the door for new and continued research in such phenomena and possibly advances our knowledge about ourselves.


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