Trump Offers South African Farmers A "Rapid Pathway" For US

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08 Mar 2025, 7:23 pm

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Trump Offers South African Farmers A "Rapid Pathway" For US Citizenship After Suspending Aid

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2025/03/07/trump-offers-south-african-farmers-rapid-pathway-for-us-citizenship-after-suspending-aid/


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09 Mar 2025, 4:21 am

Unfortunately withdrawing aid isn't going to change expropriation laws to arbitrarily redistribute white farming land. the current ANC government is one of the most corrupt in the world.
https://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/anc ... 205ae6b7f8

Withdrawing aid will not stop the ruling elite in the ANC from continuing to blame the white South African minority which keeps them perpetually in power from poorer black South Africans while concurrently raiding South Africa's reserves to enrich themselves and their family and set up overseas bank accounts and giving lucrative contracts to family and cronies. Its a massive scam. Not exonerating the white south Africans from their role in keeping all the wealth in their hands but trump's plans will lead to nothing.



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09 Mar 2025, 5:14 am

But I thought allowing immigration was too woke for this administration.


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09 Mar 2025, 3:02 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
But I thought allowing immigration was too woke for this administration.

Depends on whom, trump did moan about why more Swedes or Norwegians didn't migrate to the US instead of people from "s/hole" countries.

S/A white farmers qualify as most are of German/Dutch origin so the type of people he wants in America to stem the great replacement that he and Musk are so worried about.



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10 Mar 2025, 4:00 am

^^^
Unlike migrants come to the southern border, Trumpy and Muskrat will perceive these South Africans as being the right color.


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10 Mar 2025, 4:07 am

Muskrat :lol:



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10 Mar 2025, 3:07 pm

cyberdora wrote:
Muskrat :lol:


I'm sure he's been called worse as of late.


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Yesterday, 8:18 am

I used to volunteer with one of the refugee organizations that is losing funding and will probably collapse. I loved it and would do it again if I could. It was an amazing experience.

This will not be a popular opinion, I'm sure, but there was definitely a difference in the types of refugees we'd get. And we'd get them in batches from this country or that.

Some of them integrated well in the US. Their own culture was not accepted in the place they came from, but was similar enough to US values that they were able to get on their own feet within a few years. They were happy, their children became full first generation Americans, and they would become proud Immigrant Americans. These were South Asians of Christian, Hindu, or Buddhist backgrounds, Christians from any African or Mideast region, and we also had success with a few Muslims who were moderate or had artist backgrounds.

However, there have been other "batches" who were quite unhappy here because their culture was too different from ours. The refugee program did not offer psychological transition help, and some people truly needed that. One of my students had PTSD, just could not fit in here despite what help everyone tried to give him, and eventually went into his former workplace and tried to kill a bunch of people. He did kill his boss and himself. I liked him and I wish he had not done that. I had another student who did not understand that when a woman says no she means no. I had to go to the police about that student. I have also had students from several different countries who might qualify as "black" be shocked and disgusted with Black Americans here. Why they are disgusted I am not sure- perhaps just seeing someone who looks like them but acts differently? But there is a definite reaction every time.

I think it is wise to be careful with who we invite to this country and how we do that. It ruins some people's lives to take them away from their home country. We need to make sure they will do well before we invite them to take that step.



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Yesterday, 3:49 pm

SocOfAutism wrote:
One of my students had PTSD, just could not fit in here despite what help everyone tried to give him, and eventually went into his former workplace and tried to kill a bunch of people. He did kill his boss and himself. I liked him and I wish he had not done that. I had another student who did not understand that when a woman says no she means no. I had to go to the police about that student. I have also had students from several different countries who might qualify as "black" be shocked and disgusted with Black Americans here. Why they are disgusted I am not sure- perhaps just seeing someone who looks like them but acts differently? But there is a definite reaction every time.

I think it is wise to be careful with who we invite to this country and how we do that. It ruins some people's lives to take them away from their home country. We need to make sure they will do well before we invite them to take that step.


One of our conservative foreign ministers in Australia used a report
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-10-04/ ... ews/689538
to justify putting a halt to intake of all African refugees (particularly South Sudanese) due to lack of progress in assimilation and the propensity of young African men in Australia joining criminal gangs.

the wording he uses is remarkably similar to your post. Following his decision he was widely condemned for making some gross generalisations and accused of racism
https://www.smh.com.au/national/african ... -12mk.html

A little digging into Mr Andrews and he had a laundry list of bias
https://www.smh.com.au/national/andrews ... -3ho0.html

Not the first time Australia had to deal with this issue. When large numbers of Vietnamese refugees and Lebanese war refugees (most non-English speaking, unskilled and many having experienced war trauma) were taken in the 1970s, the public were vehemently against it. Many of the current criminal gangs today in Australia are indeed from these communities. But over time children learned to assimilate and are basically Aussies (Lebanese kids are practically indistinguishable from Greeks and Italians and Vietnamese kids are part of the highly successful east asian communities).

African kids have a harder time assimilating because they face more overt racism (not terribly shocking). So to overcome additional barriers it takes their community longer to assimilate. I think its a testimony to the South Sudanese community (Kevin Andrews worst fears) that the current generation are making great strides, I am seeing more of them in Universities and working in Melbourne (South Sudanese are easy to spot because they are incredibly tall and good looking). All they needed was a chance.

So being careful about which refugees get preferential treatment ignores both the challenges some groups face to overcome barriers that may be invisible to you as a volunteer but are real for them. It also ignores their humanity. We are all basically the same when you take away the superficial differences. Some refugees take longer because they have to overcome more barriers.

Carrying this type of thinking makes it easy to agree with the orange behemoth when he spouts nonsense about who he deems to be "good migrants". Of course he's going to make white south Africans a "damsels in distress" needing rescuing. If Kevin Andrews was alive today (he did pass away a few years ago) he would have agreed.



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us yanks have become deer in the headlights to all this organized evil.



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Yesterday, 10:22 pm

auntblabby wrote:
us yanks have become deer in the headlights to all this organized evil.


And we'll become roadkill in no time.


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