Ukraine and the USA/Russia peace talks

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22 Feb 2025, 7:31 pm

cyberdora wrote:
Infact trump wants Zelensky to give back every cent in aid - $350 billion
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-ame ... 4581891df0


The more accurate number is probably about a third of that amount:
https://fullfact.org/news/us-assistance-ukraine/

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The Kiel Institute for the World Economy, a research institute in Germany, tracks international military, financial and humanitarian assistance allocated and committed to Ukraine since 2022. It estimates the total international assistance committed to Ukraine by the US and European countries since 2022 is approximately €366 billion (about $383 billion)—about one-third of which has come from the US.



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22 Feb 2025, 7:34 pm

Yeah but trump always makes up stuff, exaggerated for effect.



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22 Feb 2025, 7:35 pm

cyberdora wrote:
Yeah but trump always makes up stuff, exaggerated for effect.


Exactly!



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22 Feb 2025, 7:37 pm

So now we can see why Zelensky is using the EU to block trump's plans.



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22 Feb 2025, 7:53 pm

cyberdora wrote:
So now we can see why Zelensky is using the EU to block trump's plans.


EU is mostly agreeing that Russia needs to be stopped. In the EU, there is a solidarity fund, in cases of natural or man-caused disasters, even for countries like Ukraine that are aspiring EU countries and are suffering invasion. People here stand with Ukraine.

My country got over 1 billion euros after earthquakes destroyed some parts of it. Were we using the EU?



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23 Feb 2025, 7:37 am

cyberdora wrote:
Yeah but trump always makes up stuff, exaggerated for effect.

Trump can't be taken seriously. He is an antagonist to the morals and values of western Europe and EU - "the free world". When dealing with him you have to keep that in mind while at the same time remembering that he's very powerful as the President of the US. You can't simply tell him to his face that's he's an idiot.


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23 Feb 2025, 3:32 pm

Expecting retrospective aid to be paid back from Ukraine is a pipe dream. Especially when plenty of it is locked away in foreign bank accounts.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68120973
Unverified claims suggest the amount of foreign aid unaccounted for could be as high as $100 billion, although this has been difficult to confirm.

But at the same time Zelensky knows he can expect money to keep flowing to Ukraine from the US. Hence his overtures to other European nations.



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25 Feb 2025, 10:05 am

UN passes resolutions condemning Russian invasion of Ukraine despite US opposition

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A U.S. effort to sink a draft U.N. resolution condemning Russia’s invasion of Ukraine failed Monday after European countries and Kyiv marshaled support for strong language against Moscow.

The United Nations General Assembly passed the resolution with 93 countries voting in favor. The U.S. and Russia both voted against it.

Monday’s resolution — which was introduced by Ukraine, the United Kingdom and most members of the European Union — holds Russia directly responsible for the three-year-old conflict. The Trump administration had lobbied allies to vote against it, arguing that condemnations of the invasion wouldn’t be productive in securing peace between the two countries. It convinced a handful of countries to withdraw their sponsorship, including Hungary and Costa Rica, but the efforts did not change the final outcome of the vote.

Kyiv and its allies also managed to sabotage a separate U.S.-led resolution that advocated for peace but made no reference to Russia’s role in launching a full-scale military campaign against Ukraine. The General Assembly passed amendments to that document to include condemnations of Russia which narrowly passed. As a result, the U.S. abstained from voting on its own resolution.

While the measures will have no direct impact on the war between Russia and Ukraine, it’s a sign of European countries being increasingly willing to break with the U.S. on the world stage, particularly when it comes to the conflict in Ukraine. U.S. outreach to Russia, coupled with bellicose rhetoric from President Donald Trump and top administration officials in recent weeks, have alienated Ukraine and European allies.


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25 Feb 2025, 12:15 pm

The US has entered her villain arc.


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12 Mar 2025, 9:17 am

Ukraine-U.S. ceasefire talks took 7 hours. The hard part will be getting Russia to agree

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All eyes were on Moscow on Wednesday after American and Ukrainian officials said they would be willing to enforce a 30-day ceasefire in the country's three-year war — and made it clear the ball was in Russia’s court.

The Kremlin said it was wary of "jumping the gun" following the talks, and that it would wait to hear from Washington directly about the possibility of a call between presidents Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin this week.

“We are carefully studying the statements,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters, adding that officials in Moscow were familiarizing themselves with the joint statement issued after breakthrough talks between Ukrainian and Russian officials.

Peskov did not rule out a conversation between Trump and Putin later, which the U.S. president said Tuesday was in the cards.

Peskov's comments come after a summit Tuesday between Secretary of State Marco Rubio, National Security adviser Mike Waltz and their Ukrainian counterparts in the Saudi city of Jeddah.

The 7-hour negotiations did not identify specifics about how the war might end, but concluded with both sides agreeing in principle to a monthlong ceasefire.

Rubio said Wednesday his team "will have contact" with Russia later that day "and we'll see what their response is."

"We’re going to bring it to them directly. We’re going to say that Ukraine is prepared to stop all battlefield activity and begin an immediate process of negotiating an enduring end of the war," Rubio told reporters during a layover in Ireland’s Shannon Airport, on the way back to Washington, D.C.

"If their response is 'yes,' then we know we've made real progress, and there's a real chance of peace. If their response is 'no', it will be highly unfortunate, and then it'll make their intentions clear."

Putin has so far offered zero concessions to end the war, nor has he been asked for any by Trump, who by contrast has suggested Ukraine may have to give up the fifth of its territory controlled by Russia, while agreeing never to join NATO.

"If Russia "says 'yes,' one thing we will have to determine is who both sides trust to be on the ground monitoring small arms fire," Rubio said Wednesday.

Russia has a well-documented history of violating numerous ceasefires with Ukraine over the past decade. Putin says he does want a truce, but only on terms that amount to little more than Ukrainian surrender.

Nevertheless, French President Emmanuel Macron was among the Western leaders to welcome "the progress made in the talks" on Wednesday, writing on X that "the ball is now clearly in Russia’s court."

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer called it an "important moment for peace in Ukraine." He said in a statement that "Russia must now agree to a ceasefire and an end to the fighting too."

Some hardline voices in Moscow, however, appeared wary or outright hostile toward the deal hashed out by Secretary of State Marco Rubio, National Security adviser Mike Waltz, and the Ukrainians in the Saudi city of Jeddah. Those pro-war figures fear that a ceasefire will allow Ukrainians to regroup and rearm — something Ukrainians also fear from the Russian military.

Russia’s position would not be determined “abroad due to some agreements or efforts of some parties,” Russian foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said. Rather, she told the state-run Radio Sputnik station, “The establishment of the position of the Russian Federation happens within the Russian Federation.”

The “ceasefire agreement will not work,” said Alexander Dugin, an ultranationalist philosopher sometimes referred to as 'Putin’s Rasputin' thanks to his long beard and ties to the Kremlin.

“Putin will not accept a ceasefire as Russia many times clearly said before, without discussing the conditions of solid peace. Trump this time is wrong,” Dugin wrote in a post on X.

Rubio and Waltz emerged with the proposal after around 7 hours of talks with Ukrainian Foreign Affairs Minister Andrii Sybiha, Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umerov and Andriy Yermak, the chief of Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s presidential office.

They agreed to resume the flow of U.S. aid and intelligence sharing to Ukraine. Ukrainian officials also said they would be willing to enforce an immediate 30-day ceasefire.

Rubio said it would be up to Moscow whether to accept.

“We’re going to tell them this is what’s on the table: Ukraine is ready to stop shooting and start talking. And now it’ll be up to them to say yes or no,” the Secretary of State told reporters Tuesday. “If they say no, then we’ll unfortunately know what the impediment is to peace here.”


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