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18 Mar 2025, 4:48 pm

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From what I've seen of his content calling Friendly Jordies a clickbaiter is little more than an admission of unfamiliarity with his material.


I'm familiar, he finds his niche and draws in a particular demographic of followers. I don't disagree with a lot of what he says but I find his take a little superficial.



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18 Mar 2025, 4:50 pm

cyberdora wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
From what I've seen of his content calling Friendly Jordies a clickbaiter is little more than an admission of unfamiliarity with his material.


I'm familiar, he finds his niche and draws in a particular demographic of followers. I don't disagree with a lot of what he says but I find his take a little superficial.


I haven't seen him rely on the sorts of sensationalism typical of clickbait, so it's really not fair to describe him as clickbaity. Superficial would be a separate criticism from clickbaity.


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18 Mar 2025, 4:53 pm

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I haven't seen him rely on the sorts of sensationalism typical of clickbait, so it's really not fair to describe him as clickbaity. Superficial would be a separate criticism from clickbaity.


I'm certain you understand the business model he uses, Aussie podcasters are notorious for copying more successful established American versions.



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18 Mar 2025, 4:57 pm

cyberdora wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
I haven't seen him rely on the sorts of sensationalism typical of clickbait, so it's really not fair to describe him as clickbaity. Superficial would be a separate criticism from clickbaity.


I'm certain you understand the business model he uses, Aussie podcasters are notorious for copying more successful established American versions.


I'm pretty familiar with YouTubers, by comparison to most other YouTubers he's about as far from clickbaity as you'll find, but also your criticisms aren't related to the content of that specific video so it seems more like you're just looking to poison the well rather than engage with any claims made within that specific video.


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18 Mar 2025, 5:07 pm

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but also your criticisms aren't related to the content of that specific video so it seems more like you're just looking to poison the well rather than engage with any claims made within that specific video.


What exactly is he saying? the gist is politicians on the right and Sky news are overplaying the antisemitism angle for votes and views. I don't find that topic suitable for entertainment (I understand he is trying to be entertaining to make the content more digestable to an audience who are already sold on the idea conservative media and politicians are POS).

However, the issue is more serious if you are Jewish. I invoked the spate of anti-Indian hate attacks in the mid 2000s which was taken seriously due to the fear that spread in the indian community. I am not sure why similar fears among Jewish Australians should be downplayed to serve some specific narrative over what is happening thousands of miles away in Gaza.



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18 Mar 2025, 5:09 pm

cyberdora wrote:
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but also your criticisms aren't related to the content of that specific video so it seems more like you're just looking to poison the well rather than engage with any claims made within that specific video.


What exactly is he saying? the gist is politicians on the right and Sky news are overplaying the antisemitism angle for votes and views. I don't find that topic suitable for entertainment (I understand he is trying to be entertaining to make the content more digestable to an audience who are already sold on the idea conservative media and politicians are POS).

However, the issue is more serious if you are Jewish. I invoked the spate of anti-Indian hate attacks in the mid 2000s which was taken seriously due to the fear that spread in the indian community. I am not sure why similar fears among Jewish Australians should be downplayed to serve some specific narrative over what is happening thousands of miles away in Gaza.


I don't believe anyone's saying they should be downplayed, only that a degree of skepticism over the narrative being spun by right-wing and other pro-Israel media outlets might be warranted.


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18 Mar 2025, 5:16 pm

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a degree of skepticism over the narrative being spun by right-wing and other pro-Israel media outlets might be warranted.


Indeed, and his audience will connect because of how he presents material. But there's a fine line whether you are dealing with antisemitism or other forms of racism. this dude is perhaps too young to remember how his own grandparents once thought of people who looked like my wife and daughter.

Younger Australians seem to conflate concepts without understanding intergenerational trauma or understanding wider implications.



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18 Mar 2025, 8:59 pm

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a degree of skepticism over the narrative being spun by right-wing and other pro-Israel media outlets might be warranted.


Indeed, and his audience will connect because of how he presents material. But there's a fine line whether you are dealing with antisemitism or other forms of racism. this dude is perhaps too young to remember how his own grandparents once thought of people who looked like my wife and daughter.

Younger Australians seem to conflate concepts without understanding intergenerational trauma or understanding wider implications.


So, does that mean Australian media should keep uncritically repeating Israeli talking points while treating pro-Palestinian narratives as the worst form of antisemitism, because Jews aren't safe anywhere but Israel and also that they should have higher loyalty to Israel than Australia because otherwise they're antisemitic too?

Did you even watch the video before trying to comment on it? :scratch:


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18 Mar 2025, 11:58 pm

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So, does that mean Australian media should keep uncritically repeating Israeli talking points while treating pro-Palestinian narratives as the worst form of antisemitism, because Jews aren't safe anywhere but Israel and also that they should have higher loyalty to Israel than Australia because otherwise they're antisemitic too?

Did you even watch the video before trying to comment on it? :scratch:


Yeah I did. And he's entitled to his views but with all respect they haven't hit the mark. Regarding your comment - Don't forget, many of the people who are visibly Jewish (i.e. orthodox Jews) and the direct targets of antisemitism are also the most likely to be pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel. their loyalty is to Australia and they are allies to Palestinians.

For those who are pro-Israel, they likely live in affluent suburbs invisible to any raving nazis or Arab criminal syndicates.



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19 Mar 2025, 12:11 am

Meanwhile justice being served
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... nce-ntwnfb

The pair faced court for the first time The pair faced court for the first time today when Abu Lebdeh arrived surrounded by half a dozen black-clad balaclava wearing supporters who threatened and intimidated media (again the optics are terrible, the thugs they travelled with look like HAMAS).