Anyone Here Like Older Music Better Than Modern Music?

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Today, 10:07 am

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The argument I'm making is that it wasn't compulsory to spend all your free time trawling record stores in order to come across a variety of music the way that it is now. Now, you can have whatever opinion of that you like, but you're being naive if you think the normies are spending large amounts of time seeking out obscure tracks and artists that reflect the broader spectrum of musical complexity. And Taylor Swift just happens to be so much better than all of it that people will spend that much on tickets to see her play. That's just not consistent. Because, that is incredibly hard to believe when most of them can't even be bothered to go a few icons down the page on YT to get to their subscriber tab rather than just accepting the slop that the YT algorithm is pushing and just about every video featuring music from last century is full of young people complaining about how crap the current music is.

It's always possible that I'm wrong, but if the standard here is that there's somebody out there that's good and there's musical complexity to be had, if you're willing to make a serious project of it, I'm sorry, that's a crap standard to have, because people aren't doing that. We went through a long period where people were using streaming services as their primary source of music and just buying the tracks they like out of the ones available on ITMS. That doesn't exactly scream musical discernment or we're going to be making a project of finding cool music.

Sigh, but whatever, it's not really worth this arguing if you can't grok the notion that people are just not going to be listening to most of this music 50 years in the future the way that we do of music from the '70s and likely will be of the '90s in the 2040s.


I don't think normies are investing huge amounts of effort into pursuing obscure music, but I do think they're prone to getting sent down rabbit holes and coming back with a few favourites, even if they only explore those rabbit holes superficially.

Younger people glazing old stuff while disregarding new stuff isn't a new phenomenon. I was one of those kids.

I don't think what's popular does a good job of representing what is available, so crap being popular is irrelevant when it comes to the quality of what's being produced. It's easier than ever to gain at least some degree of popularity in any obscure style than it was when you had to rely on word of mouth, or putting up posters, or tape trading, etc. It's easier to participate in all sorts of outsider music. It's almost certain that 10 or 100 times more recorded music is being produced than ever before, so it's almost inevitable that more quality music is being produced. Saying music is lower quality because you're exposed to less quality music is placing the blame on the wrong variable.

I also think nostalgia informs the idea that people will care about classic rock in 50 years, but not Taylor Swift. I don't believe either will stand the test of time in the long run. Most music is disposable, it's just a matter of time scale.

What's popular is certainly a better proxy than you're giving it credit for. A much broader range was popular and it was normal to shop for music in record stores with people that had opinions to discuss things. It's the starting point for most people. The whole notion that it's just nostalgia makes little sense when so many young people are also bemoaning the lack of quality in recent music and holding up older music as an example of what they like.

As far as rabbit holes go, that does happen, but the algorithms are designed to funnel people to what's popular and sells ads, it's why the front page of YT is like 30% AI scam videos and Mr. Beast if you don't log in. It gets a bit better as it tracks you, but it's funneling people where the site makes the most money, not necessarily to what you want.

Again, I just don't see any evidence to think that the outliers really amount to enough to declare modern music to have more variety. IIRC Deep Purple was doing rap ages before Sugarhill Gang did.



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Today, 10:43 am

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Yes I cannot STAND modern country music!! !

It's all so contrived & mediocre songs about sex, love, marriage, children, beer, whiskey, trucks etc!

I prefer video game music because it is far superior to any of the modern trash on the mainstream radio stations!




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I'm wondering if younger people listen to old music?


I'm 16 And Love 80's Music, Does That Count?


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I listen to more music from the 40's, 50's, 60's, and early 70's than anything since. Occasionally, there might be a song that I like since then, but that's relatively rare.

I also listen to a wide variety of music -- pretty much anything except things like rap and hip-hop.

It's hard to say what kind of music I listen to most.



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Mikurotoro92 wrote:
Yes I cannot STAND modern country music!!


I am not fond of country music -- western music is much better.

It was funny in the Blues Brothers when the woman at the bar was asked "What kind of music do you usually have here?" and she replied "Oh, we got both kinds. We got country *and* western." But she was correct -- they are often confused as being the same thing, but they aren't.



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Today, 11:12 am

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funeralxempire wrote:
Mikurotoro92 wrote:
Yes I cannot STAND modern country music!! !

It's all so contrived & mediocre songs about sex, love, marriage, children, beer, whiskey, trucks etc!

I prefer video game music because it is far superior to any of the modern trash on the mainstream radio stations!




Very Accurate Video Thank You


Spot on. Bro country is awful


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I have preferred genres. I really like classical music and have an especial fondness for Soviet composers, like Shostakovich. Other than that, I tend to be extremely nostalgic for the music I grew up with in the 90s or for music that has been impactful for me and my life in some other way. I also like a lot of the music from the 60s - Simon and Garfunkel, especially. Having said that, I don’t think that music from given time periods is objectively better than others. It’s a highly subjective thing. We like what we like.

Well, a lot of pop music is pretty bad, but that’s nothing new. Bad pop music was very popular when I was young (as it was before my time). Growing up, there were myriads of boy bands that sounded identical (Backstreet Boys, 98 Degrees, *NSYNC, etc.) and female singers with similar…ability. They didn’t play instruments, write lyrics to their songs, or even sing all that well. It seemed to mostly come down to dancing and marketing. I didn’t understand it to be honest.


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Growing up, there were myriads of boy bands that sounded identical (Backstreet Boys, 98 Degrees, *NSYNC, etc.) and female singers with similar…ability. They didn’t play instruments, write lyrics to their songs, or even sing all that well. It seemed to mostly come down to dancing and marketing. I didn’t understand it to be honest.


As An Unironic NSYNC Fan, I Am Offended/hj

When I Mean Modern Music I Mean Taylor Swift, Chappel Roan, Sabrina Carpenter, The Like.


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As I’ve gotten older, I think I’ve learned to be more open to that sort of music. It’s still not what I would choose to listen to, but I’m glad that people enjoy it.


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As I’ve gotten older, I think I’ve learned to be more open to that sort of music. It’s still not what I would choose to listen to, but I’m glad that people enjoy it.


I Do Think It's Kinda Funny That 90's Boy Band Stuff Seems "New" To You But "Old" To Me LOL


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I don't believe current pop music is significantly worse than 90s/00s era pop music, at least in part because it's hard to imagine anything being significantly worse than Beyonce or Backstreet Boys or Linkin Park or Britney Spears.

You can't have a value below absolute zero.

Meanwhile there's always gems being released if you know where to look.


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I don't believe current pop music is significantly worse than 90s/00s era pop music, at least in part because it's hard to imagine anything being significantly worse than Beyonce or Backstreet Boys or Linkin Park or Britney Spears.

You can't have a value below absolute zero.
Absolutely!! :lol:


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I don't believe current pop music is significantly worse than 90s/00s era pop music, at least in part because it's hard to imagine anything being significantly worse than Beyonce or Backstreet Boys or Linkin Park or Britney Spears.

You can't have a value below absolute zero.

Meanwhile there's always gems being released if you know where to look.


HEY!! ! I LIKE ALL OF THOSE ARTISTS!! ! :evil:


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funeralxempire wrote:
I don't believe current pop music is significantly worse than 90s/00s era pop music, at least in part because it's hard to imagine anything being significantly worse than Beyonce or Backstreet Boys or Linkin Park or Britney Spears.

You can't have a value below absolute zero.

Meanwhile there's always gems being released if you know where to look.


HEY!! ! I LIKE ALL OF THOSE ARTISTS!! ! :evil:


You're allowed to. Taste is personal, and there's a good chance you'd find a lot of what I listen to to be completely unlistenable.

I just struggle to understand how people will embrace older pablum while acting like current pablum is significantly worse. To me, pablum is just pablum, even if they change what flavour it's offered in every 5 - 10 years.


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I personally don't mind her music, but I wouldn't be getting life advice from Chappel Roan.

Well done. 8) A lot of people never notice that best-selling musicians aren't necessarily great life coaches or experts on politics or morality. Still, I suppose a lot of their fans are practically children, who need time to figure some of these things out properly.