Is "gay Christian" an oxymoron?

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18 Jul 2022, 11:43 pm

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I'm sure you'll find the suicide rate is astronomically higher among all those who don't follow Christ the way he said to follow him, than it is among those who do. And that is also true of drug addition, alcoholism, STDs, crime etc.

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18 Jul 2022, 11:47 pm

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You are worried about experiencing theoretical pressure, and yet, you are stating that groups of people will go to Hell.

I didn't say anything about people going to hell, you and Isabella did. I said to people who hate God, heaven would be like hell to them.

You know very well that the implication was there.

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18 Jul 2022, 11:49 pm

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If that's true (I have no way of knowing), is it possible that the Christians are just behaving because they're afraid? It seems you believe in the fear of Hell whether that's justified or not. Do you think that it's better for a person to live in fear and hide any possible mental health concerns, than it is for them to live their authentic lives? Drug addiction, alcoholism, STDs etc. don't mean that the person isn't a good, loving, or moral person on their own terms. It doesn't mean they hurt others.

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18 Jul 2022, 11:57 pm

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Not every Christian adheres to a literal interpretation.

I'm not sure what you mean by literal interpretation, considering it's obvious the Bible has a lot of figurative symbolism in it, like referring to Jesus as being a lamb. But there is an overall orthodox understanding of what the Bible says as a whole.

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Not every Christian follows every portion of the Bible.

Well of course not. Gentile Christians don't follow all 613 Mosaic laws for example. But most Christians do follow the Bible where it's pertinent to what Christianity is.

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Jesus did not outright condemn homosexuality.

Jesus condemned iniquity and homosexual acts are clearly stated as iniquity in the scriptures Jesus upheld.

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You are free to read the Bible the way you want to, but other Christians do not see things the way you do. (Thank God.)

There's an orthodox exegetic way to read the Bible and there's an unorthodox eisegetical way to read the Bible. Most Christians prefer the former.

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19 Jul 2022, 12:03 am

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I think it's because LGBT is becoming a predominant ubiquitous aspect of society.

Good! People should always be free as individuals.

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19 Jul 2022, 12:06 am

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I'm a Christian and seek to follow and obey Christ, because I love him. I would follow and obey Christ even if he and the Bible said nothing about heaven or hell whatsoever. I experience peace and joy in Christ that surpasses all else.

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19 Jul 2022, 12:07 am

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I’m sure a lot of gay Christians feel the same way.

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19 Jul 2022, 12:08 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:

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I think it's because LGBT is becoming a predominant ubiquitous aspect of society.

Good! People should always be free as individuals.

So society as a whole must become intertwined with LGBT.

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19 Jul 2022, 12:12 am

Twilightprincess wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

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I’m sure a lot of gay Christians feel the same way.

If they're practicing what God calls iniquity, then unlike me, they're not receiving it from the Holy Spirit.

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19 Jul 2022, 12:14 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:

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I’m sure a lot of gay Christians feel the same way.

If they're practicing what God calls iniquity, then unlike me, they're not receiving it from the Holy Spirit.

If the Holy Spirit was real, I doubt that you, as an imperfect human, would know everything about it.

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19 Jul 2022, 12:15 am

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I think it's because LGBT is becoming a predominant ubiquitous aspect of society.

Good! People should always be free as individuals.

So society as a whole must become intertwined with LGBT.

People must learn to be accepting and tolerant of others.

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19 Jul 2022, 12:15 am

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Honestly, that's great if it brings you joy.
I'm not trying to take that from you.
I'm sure you are a kind person in your daily life.
I'm sure you don't walk around telling people they'll go to Hell (I hope not ...)

I belong to the Anglican Church / Church of England.
We were always accepting of differences even before LGBTQ awareness was so big.
It's a very old traditional church (not covered in rainbows), but we still accept everyone.

I used to have a female rector for many years.
Now it's a gay man.
They aren't trying to be political in that choice or prove any kind of activism.
The focus of the Bible is about love and acts of goodwill, and serving your fellow man.
It's not a parody of religion or in any way "artsy-fartsy".
There are many older congregants and hetero families (actually, probably about 95%).

You'd be hard-pressed to find any of those people condoning bigotry or intolerance in the name of God.

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19 Jul 2022, 12:17 am

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Judgment.

Stating an opinion regarding cause and effect, isn't passing judgment. And ironically you have been passing judgement against me, whereas I haven't said anything against you personally or made accusations against you, as you have against me.

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19 Jul 2022, 12:19 am

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Judgment.

Your comments ARE passive-aggressively judgmental even if you don’t recognize it.

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19 Jul 2022, 12:29 am

Twilightprincess wrote:

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Judgment.

Your comments ARE passive-aggressively judgmental even if you don’t recognize it.

I think you're subjectively seeing it that way.

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19 Jul 2022, 1:26 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:

Matrix Glitch wrote:

What it boils down to is a Christian doesn't practice iniquity. Doesn't indulge in continuous sin. The title of this thread should really be, "carnal Christian" or "worldly Christian" is an oxymoron.

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