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15 May 2023, 6:54 am

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Because we have the First Past The Post system of voting in Britain, people have become disillusioned because they can't see how their votes affect anything- nothing changes in their lives, so they don't bother voting.

We need voting reform: Proportional Representation, then people can see their votes actually making a difference. That's the problem. Most European countries have PR, but Britain is behind the times.

It would seem the the old days, young men embarking to make their fortune and experience adventure and excitement in the vast expanse of the British empire are long gone. I imagine in the sight of the teeming hordes wanting to make Britian, Canada, the US and Australia their home our respective countries have become fortresses much like the old christian city of Constantinople used to be looking out onto the Asiatic hordes,

I am not sure what our collective purposes are anymore? we can continue as nation states fiercely guarding our resources/wealth, our culture, lifestyle and history or choose to share our borders on the road to inevitable globalisation. May take several more generations (assuming we are still around as a species).

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15 May 2023, 9:26 am

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The reason is, there are just too many humans now. That's the problem. The Earth is overcrowded, overpopulated and can't sustain us. There is just not enough room for us now and that's why everyone is fighting with each other. David Attenborough said humans need to be culled...

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15 May 2023, 7:57 pm

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ironically Attenborough will have his wish re: fertility rate
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521

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16 May 2023, 2:31 am

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ironically Attenborough will have his wish re: fertility rate
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521

Yes. Parenting is just too hard and no fun anymore, so people are choosing not to have children. There isn't the network of support needed for parents that used to be there, because everyone lives in nuclear families with no relatives to help. Bringing up children is just too much for either one parent to stay at home with them, or both parents to somehow juggle jobs and childcare. People have to work more hours to afford to live. People find careers more rewarding, fulfilling, enjoyable. As a parent all you get is criticism of what you do wrong, never what you do right.

There are just so many reasons why people don't want to have children anymore, I can't write them all down.

Life has changed. My parents in law had 4 children and a 4 bedroom house, they managed on father-in-law's one wage. We have a 2 bedroom house and 1 child and we struggle on one wage. That just doesn't make sense.

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16 May 2023, 3:53 am

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Life has changed. My parents in law had 4 children and a 4 bedroom house, they managed on father-in-law's one wage. We have a 2 bedroom house and 1 child and we struggle on one wage. That just doesn't make sense.

Cost of living has gone up. but also we pay more for amenities, computers, cars, investment properties etc etc...

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16 May 2023, 8:38 am

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KitLily wrote:

Cost of living has gone up. but also we pay more for amenities, computers, cars, investment properties etc etc...

Well if the cost of living and all those things have gone up, we should get paid more! Life is not all about business opportunities and working all hours God sends to make ends meet. There is more to life than that. I'd have thought the human race must be doing well because there are now so many of us and so we wouldn't need to work so hard to live.

And of course privatisation has failed, in Britain anyway. Private companies have siphoned customers' money off into the shareholders' pockets. The UK energy companies e.g. BP, are making billions in profit and yet bills are going up. That doesn't add up.

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16 May 2023, 5:09 pm

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There is more to life than that. I'd have thought the human race must be doing well because there are now so many of us and so we wouldn't need to work so hard to live..

I somewhat suspect a lot if the upper middle class are quietly self-satisfied (without boasting openly to others) and reaching middle age are becoming privately spiritual

One of the big changes in the post-war era is the relative abundance throughout the western world that saw the baby boom and as we collectively moved into the 60s the middle class embraced the age of aquarius. Even my parents went through this kind of weird phase where they became kind of hippy like in the 1960s/70s. My sister's in-laws were completely into pyramid power and living of the earth for nutrition and other alternative stuff.

All of that changed in the 80s and we embraced the corporate American culture globally and neo-capitalism became paramount. But people have responded by becoming insular and self-contemplative in private. Many of the NTs who snub us in public, privately think they are on the road to self-actualisation. We have managed to compromise disparate and dissonant things about the societies we live in and think we are spiritual beings (despite being private).

A certain smug self-satisfaction I see in the faces of the wealthy driving their $200,000 cars. I think they either believe their souls can thread the eye of the needle or they imagine some glowing afterlife that perpetuates their prosperity here on earth.

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17 May 2023, 6:03 am

Sorry, you've lost me Cyberdad

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17 May 2023, 8:00 am

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Sorry, you've lost me Cyberdad

Which part?

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17 May 2023, 11:37 am

I'm not sure what spirituality or fake spirituality has got to do with the cost of living and how it's changed?

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17 May 2023, 4:35 pm

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I'm not sure what spirituality or fake spirituality has got to do with the cost of living and how it's changed?

I think one way people can come to grips with being so selective over whom they choose to bond with in this life is the premise they are working on themselves. Whether it be finding your "chakras" or tuning into the collective "gaia" or the "vibe" of an exclusive gated community/estate, communing over morning caffe latte while reading the newspaper.

Yes people give back, but all of that's invisible. Everything is invisible, I honestly don't know if my neighbours, the parents at school pickup or my co-workers actually exist. We all live in our own bubbles and never interact.

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18 May 2023, 3:01 am

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You've hit the nail on the head with that last paragraph. Yes. People now exist on their own tracks, all moving along side by side and never interacting. People don't actually need each other anymore, they can just press a button or click a link to get exactly what they want.

Until people start needing each other again, we'll never make real life communities or friends again.

I feel like a small percentage of people in the world are entertaining the rest of us. Everything depends on how entertaining we can be. And also if we can contribute economically, we are worth more. If someone is not an entertainer or earning money, they are invisible.

But there is more to life than those two talents.

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18 May 2023, 4:08 am

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Until people start needing each other again, we'll never make real life communities or friends again.

I think we past that point. Now with Artificial intelligence we literally don't need other humans anymore. Give it several more years and the most entertaining online user on Wrong Plant will be a chatbot generated by ChatGPT

People will happily share their life with a robot with an AI brain, it will give people more reason to ignore other people.

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18 May 2023, 9:21 am

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Until people start needing each other again, we'll never make real life communities or friends again.

Humans are just going to go extinct then aren't we. We are eradicating ourselves.

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18 May 2023, 4:37 pm

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Humans are just going to go extinct then aren't we. We are eradicating ourselves.

That is the prediction with AI

Infact if we do bump into aliens traversing the distances of space, there's a high probability they will be self-regenerating bots with AI brains.

If you watch the movie I-Robot with Will Smith (or even Ridley Scott's Prometheus) it will only take literally one artificial intelligence bot to have their code written in such a way that it's given free choice.

When you remove the following laws
1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Then all hell will break loose (quite literally the dystopian scenario in the Matrix movies)

Even with the laws written into code, a logic chip/circuit might determine that humans exist intentionally to do harm to each other (pick any conflict we have as a species) then a AI bot would simply assume the laws no longer apply in certain circumstances

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19 May 2023, 5:12 am

Yes we need something like those laws ASAP.

Although, humans are endlessly devious and illogical. It'll take a while for AI to become as devious and illogical as homo sapiens.

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