Did we really go to the moon ?

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05 Jan 2023, 10:24 am

MissMary227 wrote:

Why is the default acceptable platform only to believe it based on 'because they told us so?'

So you are saying that your belief is that there is no way that someone can conclude from CONCRETE EVIDENCE that the moon landings happened?

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05 Jan 2023, 10:25 am

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:

MissMary227 wrote:

Why is the default acceptable platform only to believe it based on 'because they told us so?'

So you are saying that your belief is that there is no way that someone can conclude from CONCRETE EVIDENCE that the moon landings happened?

I have seen 'moon rocks and dust' at Nasa. Is that what you mean? What evidence is there?

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05 Jan 2023, 10:32 am

MissMary227 wrote:

I just need more evidence before I believe it hook-line-and-sinker, is all. I will move on my opinion about it if I can get that.

How much actual personal effort have you applied to locating evidence?

I'm fighting a powerful inclination to not do your work for you, but here's a thing to look in to,
https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/moon-landing/

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3.) Scientific equipment we’ve installed on the Moon. Did you know that we brought up a large amount of scientific equipment and installed it on the lunar surface during the Apollo missions?

Lunar seismometers were installed by Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, and 16, with the most advanced ones transmitting data to Earth until 1977.
Apollo 11 installed the lunar laser ranging retroreflector array, which is still operational today, allowing us to reflect lasers off of it and measure the Earth-Moon distance to ~centimeter precision. (We also use Apollo 14, 15, and the Soviet Lunokhud 2 rover for this.)
The SWC experiment, to measure the solar wind composition from the Moon’s surface.
The SWS experiment to measure the solar wind’s spectra from the Moon.
The LSM experiment to measure the lunar magnetic field.
The LDD to measure how lunar dust would settle on and pollute solar panels.

And many others. That we have the data from these experiments, and that the lunar retroreflectors are still in use today, represents some pretty strong evidence that we did, in fact, land on the Moon.

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https://accesswdun.com/article/2019/7/8 ... local-ties

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As the world observes the 50th anniversary of the first manned moon landing 50 years ago today, it’s a special time for one Buford-based company.

Half-a-century after astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong left the lunar surface, only one piece of scientific equipment that was left behind is still functioning.

“In the mid-1960s our company, Heraeus (a quartz glass manufacturer), worked with Bendix Corporation to produce the Lunar Laser Retro Reflector experiment package that was placed on the lunar surface by Buzz Aldrin,” says Jeff Oddo, Senior Manager, Communications, Heraeus Incorporated.

The company designed and produced the reflector’s 100 triple prisms of quartz glass mirrors.

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https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/20 ... pened.html

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If none of this convinces you, then you probably also won't believe the evidence collected by space agencies that followed in the US' footsteps. Chinese, Japanese and Indian probes have taken photos of several Apollo landing sites, including 11.

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05 Jan 2023, 10:35 am

Not much

I will look into your two links and give you my assessment forthwith. But I have to work and do school today so it prolly won't happen until tonight. :study:

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05 Jan 2023, 10:36 am

MissMary227 wrote:

Not much

Yep, the trend continues.

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05 Jan 2023, 11:03 am

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:

MissMary227 wrote:

Not much

Yep, the trend continues.

You can lead a horse to water... ;-)

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05 Jan 2023, 11:05 am

how would anybody fake the lunar mirror reflection array put on the moon in 1969 that we bounce lasers off of?

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05 Jan 2023, 11:07 am

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You can lead a horse to water...

If that horse has been led to the city water in Warrensburg, Missouri, I totally support the poor critter's non-drinking of that sulfurous stew.

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05 Jan 2023, 11:10 am

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how would anybody fake the lunar mirror reflection array put on the moon in 1969 that we bounce lasers off of?

It was put there by the lizard people in a conspiracy between North Korea and deviant Democrat senators. It's all recorded in Hilary Clinton's emails. That's why they had to assassinate Kennedy, he knew too much. ;-)

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05 Jan 2023, 11:11 am

auntblabby wrote:

how would anybody fake the lunar mirror reflection array put on the moon in 1969 that we bounce lasers off of?

Good question.

Which has sometimes been waved away with, "Well I haven't seen it myself so it's not true."
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As it happens, I have seen it during a childhood visit to an observatory I forget where - Dad was in the USN and got transferred as frequently as every other year, so there are some things from childhood a half-century ago which at this point on the calendar I don't remember their exact location.

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05 Jan 2023, 11:13 am

auntblabby wrote:

how would anybody fake the lunar mirror reflection array put on the moon in 1969 that we bounce lasers off of?

Hmm. it is compelling. I will keep looking into it.

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05 Jan 2023, 11:14 am

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Radish wrote:

You can lead a horse to water...

If that horse has been led to the city water in Warrensburg, Missouri, I totally support the poor critter's non-drinking of that sulfurous stew.

I gather it isn't a particularly enlightened city? I've heard some US states are more "backwards" than others.

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05 Jan 2023, 11:16 am

Radish wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

It was put there by the lizard people in a conspiracy ...

There is a manager at one of our bank branches who is pretty close to getting me to buy in to that reptilian hybrid thing, if there are those, this person could be one, creepy and cold, and the tension in the room when they are around ...

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05 Jan 2023, 11:19 am

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I gather it isn't a particularly enlightened city?

I would hope it is, there is a university with a teacher's college & they are a '20 minutes between here and there' bedroom community for the USAF Airbase where the Stealth Bombers are.

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05 Jan 2023, 12:13 pm

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Radish wrote:

I gather it isn't a particularly enlightened city?

I would hope it is, there is a university with a teacher's college & they are a '20 minutes between here and there' bedroom community for the USAF Airbase where the Stealth Bombers are.

Oh sorry, I misinterpreted your comment about the water metaphorically rather than literally.

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05 Jan 2023, 10:25 pm

Still in the news; 2:54pm ET, January 5, 2023,

Fact check: Lunar Roving Vehicle was able to broadcast messages from the moon
Eleanor McCrary
USA TODAY

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The claim: Post implies differences in broadcast equipment used on Earth and in space show 1970s Apollo missions were fake

A Facebook post (direct link, archive link), which was shared over 250 times in a week, implies the broadcast equipment used on the rovers in the 1970s Apollo missions proves the missions were fake.

As you are well aware from your own personal experience, everything on Facebook is by definition true and automatically true merely by virtue of its having been posted.

While talking about the Lunar Rover, this is well worth a read,

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