LGBT People, Curious, Tourists, Gawkers, Trolls and Haters

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So then, and in keeping with the overall purpose of WP, solicitous postings are not acceptable here!

What I meant by "...group of people you are not a member of..." is that it seems that oppressed groups of people tend to take power back from the same words which were were originally meant to demean them, but I would hope that people would not continue to use them against others. In other words, once I was attacked for both not looking someone in they eye the day before and for being a "fag," which he shouted at me the day before. This was a use of a hurtful statement. If I said that I am nice and faggie now. I am taking back the word and healing.

In the end, anyone can attach whatever word they want to describe themselves, but I would hope that people would be careful of what words they attach to others.

I agree, but I still hope that people should be able to come here and not feel put down.



By the time you read this, I would have added it to V2.

Last edited by BrendaEM on 16 Feb 2011, 3:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Here is what I am proposing (V2)

LGBT Subforum Etiquette

Making hateful and derogatory comments about groups of people you are not a member of is ban-worthy, and your post might be deleted as not to offend others.

Using derogatory or slanderous terms for others outside your group is not allowed.

Making threats toward others because of their sexual preference or gender role or status is likely illegal.

The primary purpose of LGBT subforum is that people will help one another, not find dates with one another. Dating needs would be better served by such as sites as www.AspieAffection.com and www.GayAspie.com.

Asking questions to better understand others is a good means to a better understanding. If you are mature enough to ask a question, please be mature enough to accept the answer. If you don't want to know something, don't ask about it.

Making broad generalizations about groups of people you are not a member of or their actions of is frowned upon; this is prejudice. One person is not all.

Please try to use appropriate language.

What do all of these abbreviations and terms mean?

Heterosexual, hetero, or straight: A person who is attracted to the opposite sex of their own.

Gay or Homosexual: A person who is attracted to the same sex as their own. The terms are often applied more for men than women, but these terms work for both.

Lesbian: A female person who is attracted to another female.

Bi or Bisexual: A person who attracted to either males or females.

Poly, Polyamourous: A person who is attracted or has relationships to more than one person at once.

Asexual: A person who generally is not being intimate in a sexual way, and/or not in a physical relationship with anyone.

Androgynous, Androgyne: A person having both female and male attributes or aspects, whether as far as the body goes, lifestyle, or gender role.

TG, Transgender, Transgendered: A person living in a gender role opposite of the expected birth role.

Genderqueer: catch-all terms for a person with gender identities other than man and woman.

TS, Transsexual: A person who has altered their body through hormonal or surgical means.

Intersexed: A person born with primary or secondary characteristics that are undifferentiated, or are both male and female."

To all: Never hesitate in sending a PM to a moderator if one of us might happen to miss something out of order here.

I do understand there is now an International Criminal Court (ICC) where so-called "hate speech" against groups of people can be prosecuted, but I seriously doubt Alex would specifically add that kind of verbiage to the WP posting rules. However, and since the WP posting rules do already address that kind of offense ...

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WrongPlanet Rules

Conduct
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The following activities are unacceptable on WrongPlanet:

1. Posting offensive language, comments, video, or images.
Unacceptable content includes swearing; racist, sexist, homophobic language; behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members; violent or sexually demeaning content; sexual fetish; and discussion of excretory function. Posting graphic images or videos of people or animals being harmed is prohibited.

2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.
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... the only edit needed here might look something like this:

Making hateful and/or derogatory comments about any group or groups of people is outside the range of acceptability here on WP, and such posts will be deleted and a warning given just as soon as noticed by a moderator or else brought to his or her attention.

Apparently not in the LGBT subforum, as yet.

Maybe I am misunderstanding here, but there are already enough posting rules here at WP to address any inflammatory and/or derogatory remarks made either against or in the face of any WP member/s. However, WP is not connected with/to any judicial system viewing so-called "hate speech" as a capital crime (such as that it would call for immediately banning someone). So, and while every effort is made to keep WP a safe and welcoming place for many people, no special protected status is provided for anyone.

I think that even if some rules are redundant, perhaps still they should be posted locally in the LGBT sub-forum so that the posters and the moderators may act accordingly.

The amount of backlash against creating the LGBT subforum is a warning that the same attitudes may also be applied to individuals.

I realize that the LGBT subforum was a big step forward and a learning experience, but my observation and opinion is that it's not yet a LGBT friendly place for LGBT people in the spectrum to communicate, but I hope it will be.

As long as there are no actual additions or changes to WP rules as they stand, that will not be a problem at all.


I was not personally following that discussion at that time, but yes, I am sure some attitudes might yet remain the same.


For the sake of perspective here, try to imagine how some Christians here on WP might tend to feel at the moment:

"We have yet to be able to get our own subforum, and that is a learning experience: PPR is not yet a Christian-friendly place for Christian people in the spectrum to communicate, but we still hope it might someday be."

So, congrats on getting an LGBT subforum, and let us all now work together to make/keep it a friendly place for LGBT folks!

This subforum is a start, but if if the subforum is a method where LGBT people go to be be reminded that they/we should feel bad about them/ourselves, then of what use is it?

When will can we be safe for people to post here?

I am only one moderator, of course, but If I happen to see where someone has posted something like that, I will view it as what some people would call "hate speech" and address it in the light of existing WP posting rules:


Some people might mistake the following as a "loophole", of course ...

"Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable ..."

... but they would actually have no opportunity to use that unless an LGBT person might have first expressed a specific "opinion, belief or philosophy" about LGBT lifestyle or practice ... and that is where the LGBT subforum actually already has more "safety" than a Christian subforum even ever would have since Christianity itself actually *is* by its very nature a "belief or philosophy" (a religion) subject to personal opinion.


I would say that is the case right now, and I will do my personal best to help assure that.

Why were offensive remarks allowed to be posted about transsexual people!?
(When there are so many more things things about me, that are much more disgusting than my Transsexualality.)

What is to dissuade people from making such remarks again?
It's not like there is a FAQ reminding people to behave themselves in what is/was the most strongly contested subforum on Wrongplanet.

After all, the subforum was requested about two years ago. I requested it back in September, and after I had pretty much gave up, another wave of people became interested and carried on the fight. None of us were fighting alone and sadly we were fighting Wrongplanet itself, because 2 years is a long time to press a few mouse buttons. The other psychiatric issue subforum was created, and I don't disparage that because it's just as important, but the LGBT people were made to wait for some reason, and I'm sure there was one.

What do you think will happen when young, sensitive, impressionable people, who have both ASD and gender issues read that they might be "disgusting" in subfoum that might be the last place they thought safe and how will that effect them?

Why would some be afraid of starting a thread that might be locked in a subforum of for people they don't care about anyway?

I am trying to impress upon Wrongplanet and its moderators that this subforum and it's safety is important because lives may depend on it. People may check in here just before they decide to take their lives, and its up to you to decide the quality of what they see before they make a decision.

Can you image what it's like being on the ASD spectrum and being lesbian, or gay, or bisexual, or genderqueer, or a cross-dresser, or even a transsexual? If the moderators here cannot imagine that, then they have not the qualifications, the sensitivity, and the situational awareness to moderate this subforum.

Last edited by BrendaEM on 18 Feb 2011, 8:13 am, edited 1 time in total.

I only began watching this subforum a few days ago ...

Has that happened recently? Such remarks will be removed if/when I happen to see them or someone might bring them to my attention.


That will vary from one person to the next, of course, and then their fellows can share their own experience with learning how to be okay within oneself no matter what anyone else might say.


This present discussion should be helping to make them aware of that being unacceptable, and all future actions like that (and especially repeated attempts) will be dealt with in keeping with WP posting rules:



Note to all: If some past attacks like we are talking about here can still be found in this LGBT subforum, please bring them to my attention, if you wish.

While not in this subforum, I found this poll quite offensive because it suggests that all LGBT people are bigots. It was allowed to stand, thinning my trust in Wrongplanet's resolve to make this forum work in a real sense.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt145002.html

I hope my yes/no edit has shown at least a bit of my own personal resolve to maintain a reasonable amount of safety and comfort here in LGBT.

Shouldn't that be 'A person who is attracted to both males and females', rather than 'either' ... 'or'.

leejosepho, Your edit was done in such a manner that it probably would appear that there was never a problem in the first place, but there was.

Mode 1: Lock threads destroying the flow of their contents, and leave the offensive comments in.
Mode 2: Edit posts dissociating the contents of the following posts.
Mode 3: Do nothing until people complain.

Why not try the following:
Mode 5: Delete the offending comment, leaving mention of having doing so as a warning to others. Warn or remove privileges of the person making the comment.

The reason why I mention mode 5, is only because it appears that that is the method that almost every web-board I have seen.

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froggo, Agreed. I think that an "and" should work better. I will update my proposal.