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Radiofixr
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07 Mar 2012, 9:24 pm

I do not have to think of myself as fat and ugly-when I try to meet people they ignore me and turn away from me so they must see me as fat and ugly so I don't have to beat myself up-everyone out there does it for me it seems.


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07 Mar 2012, 10:18 pm

Thom_Fuleri wrote:

I think it's simpler than that. You're fine with men finding you attractive because that's "safe" - it won't lead anywhere, so the outcome doesn't matter. It's like betting with pretend money - you can risk the lot on one hand of cards because it's just for fun. But women finding you attractive is important to you. You resist it, because it does have consequences. It matters to you.

"Fat and ugly" is not the cause of a lack of self-esteem. It's an expression of it, and usually comes from a distorted self-image, but it's far from the only form of expression. And yes, I can relate to it. I hated myself for many years before I finally learned how to accept myself, and now I know myself to be the intelligent, handsome sex machine that I really am. :D


There's a bit of truth to that. I'm not 100% gay and currently live with my bf, but I suppose I take the idea of a relationship with a woman more seriously (I feel horrible to my bf for typing that, but I do prefer women and he knows that). Plus, men fancy women all the time. If I lost my current partner, I could get another male partner, eventually...but women are harder to get in general, even more so when you are a woman yourself. There would be a lot of 'must. not. f**k. this. up', if I had a relationship with a woman. It's easier to reject it outright. :(


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08 Mar 2012, 12:57 pm

It's exactly the other way around for me. Or rather, it's exactly the same, only that I'm male :) I dated a few men back in the day before my social anxiety got the better of me. With "dated", I mean "found someone in my area in some AOL chat room, gave him my address, had fast and uncomplicated sex, and never saw him again afterwards". Men are straightforward, easy to understand and easy to satisfy.

But I've always been a lot more self-conscious and inhibited around women. Feeling unworthy describes it perfectly. In my case, this can't have anything to do with homophobia, and I don't think that's the case for you either. It's probably just self-sabotage out of fear of being rejected or not being able to live up to someone else's expectations.



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08 Mar 2012, 2:51 pm

I'm not entirely sure if this is similar to what you're feeling, but many times I've experienced anxiety upon meeting guys who I was absolutely smitten by. Often, I feel I'm "too weird" or "not pretty enough" for them.

With women, I don't feel this nearly as much.



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10 Mar 2012, 11:36 pm

CrazyCatLord wrote:
It's exactly the other way around for me. Or rather, it's exactly the same, only that I'm male :) I dated a few men back in the day before my social anxiety got the better of me. With "dated", I mean "found someone in my area in some AOL chat room, gave him my address, had fast and uncomplicated sex, and never saw him again afterwards". Men are straightforward, easy to understand and easy to satisfy.

But I've always been a lot more self-conscious and inhibited around women. Feeling unworthy describes it perfectly. In my case, this can't have anything to do with homophobia, and I don't think that's the case for you either. It's probably just self-sabotage out of fear of being rejected or not being able to live up to someone else's expectations.


I did have a lot of internalised homophobia, but it's probably a separate issue. I think as I get over that, and accept that it's perfectly okay with me to love women, I realised that I still have a hard time accepting the idea of women loving me.


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12 Mar 2012, 11:33 am

There is an obvious pitfall to same-sex attraction: we can compare ourselves directly to the objects of our attraction.

"He's so hot," can quickly lead to, "I wish I was that hot," to, "I wish my [insert feature here] looked like that," to, "He's out of my league."

It seems to me (but I leave it to someone with some direct experience to confirm or refute my supposition) that admiring a person of the opposite sex presents fewer opportunities for those inner statements. Certainly a member of the opposite sex can generate the "S/he's so hot," and the, "s/he's out of my league," sentiments, but it is less likely to involve a direct comparison with one's own body.


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12 Mar 2012, 4:03 pm

visagrunt wrote:
There is an obvious pitfall to same-sex attraction: we can compare ourselves directly to the objects of our attraction.

"He's so hot," can quickly lead to, "I wish I was that hot," to, "I wish my [insert feature here] looked like that," to, "He's out of my league."

That is exactly what I experience. It was part of the reason why I didn't realize that I was gay until about a year ago: I thought that I just liked looking at shirtless guys because I envied their physique. For me though, the envy goes a bit farther than just looks. I'll also find myself envying guys who have a more fun, less stressed, less neurotic personality.