10 Dec 2006, 8:09 am
cmon dead can dance r pretty gothy... one of my fave groups!.... their album 'in the realm of a dying sun' is classic ...when u take into account the lyrics and feel...its pretty dark
luv the birthday party..prolly fave of theirs is 'the bad seed' 4 songs with 'deep in the woods' etc,
luv joy division n stuff like that..
i would say the gothiest thing i've prolly heard tho is from
my dying brides 'turn loose the swans' album..the track 'Sear Me MCMXCIII' (not to be confused with other versions of sear me...which are more metal
infact i challenge anyone to find something more gothic than that song 
also Anathema's album - pentacost III is very gothic imo..stuff like kingdom & we the gods....g'damn
10 Dec 2006, 9:03 am
DerekD_Goldfish wrote:
Deus_ex_machina wrote:
The Chameleons are Post-punk and so they're a Goth band, at least, Wikipedia classifies them as Post-punk.
I really cant understand how someone who is so adamt at clasifing industrial seperate from goth concides The Chamelsons goth in fact if they were around at the time of post-punk id probably call them dream pop but then music is subjective
Deus_ex_machina wrote:
Gang of Four sounds familiar to me, do they sound anything like Josef K? It's a Scottish Post-punk band.
Josef K were far popier than GOF and far less political. Gang of Four arnt goth by any stretch but they are a very good post punk band
Deus_ex_machina wrote:
I've heard some of Cabaret Voltaire, but I don't really like it,
They chaned their style quite radicly over their carear(Going from Post-Punk to Industrial to Electro-pop to Acid House to tecno to IDM)
givin your liking for dark music I would urge you to check out thier dark period "Red Mecca" in particular should appeal to you one quote from a review sums it up well
"It's a taught, dense, horrific slab lacking a lull"
Deus_ex_machina wrote:
Never heard of them but thank you for mentioning them
Never heard of The Fall
Granted your probably a yank where they werent as popular put on this side of the pond only Joy Division are more identified with the term post-punk
They have so many albums it can be a bit daunting but starting with one of the beggars banqut albums or the comp "50,000 Fall fans cant be wrong"
edit
Just saw your an aussie not a yank appologies
It's only in recent times that Goths gotten any connection with Industrial, discussing it just makes things more complicated, and what's with the "around at that time" remark? The Chameleons were around in the 1980s...
Yeah I listened to them a little while ago and I'd have to agree.
I'm pretty sure Red Mecca was the song I heard, or something from the album, I'd mistaken the song for a Voltaire song and every time I heard it I just thought "What the hell is this crap?" then I heard about Cabaret Voltaire and Googled the song.
But yeah maybe you're right, I usually need to hear a band a few times before I like it.
I cringed.
10 Dec 2006, 9:13 am
Deutha wrote:
cmon dead can dance r pretty gothy... one of my fave groups!.... their album 'in the realm of a dying sun' is classic ...when u take into account the lyrics and feel...its pretty dark
luv the birthday party..prolly fave of theirs is 'the bad seed' 4 songs with 'deep in the woods' etc,
luv joy division n stuff like that..
i would say the gothiest thing i've prolly heard tho is from
my dying brides 'turn loose the swans' album..the track 'Sear Me MCMXCIII' (not to be confused with other versions of sear me...which are more metal
infact i challenge anyone to find something more gothic than that song
also Anathema's album - pentacost III is very gothic imo..stuff like kingdom & we the gods....g'damn
luv the birthday party..prolly fave of theirs is 'the bad seed' 4 songs with 'deep in the woods' etc,
luv joy division n stuff like that..
i would say the gothiest thing i've prolly heard tho is from
my dying brides 'turn loose the swans' album..the track 'Sear Me MCMXCIII' (not to be confused with other versions of sear me...which are more metal
infact i challenge anyone to find something more gothic than that song
also Anathema's album - pentacost III is very gothic imo..stuff like kingdom & we the gods....g'damn
Have you read any of the posts? I mean really read them? Anathema and My Dying Bride are NOT Goth, how many times should I say this about those kinds of bands? If you want to hear something "Gothier" check out the video that has already been posted because it is one hundred times "Gothier" than those bands, which are just Metal, ok? This isn't to deride Metal, or those particular styles, which I happen to listen to, they simply aren't Goth, you might as well, call Johnny Cash a Rapper.
That's the problem, all this bias, "oh this band is pretty good so they're such and such label which I happen to identify as being pretty cool", you can see pretty much the same thing whenever someone brings up the topic of Aspies in the media, 'cause invariably some ******** has to decide that even though they haven't really done any research they know a ton about the subject matter, sorry but they aren't DCD is a band with a wide variety of influences, you can't pin down all of their albums as just one style.
10 Dec 2006, 9:21 am
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10 Dec 2006, 11:16 am
>>until you cite your sources I'll keep throwing away what you're saying.
throw them away...enjoy the silence!
but alas i did cite it...myself 
i would like to think in my time i have heard a decent amount of music...and hope to have an appreciation of it as much as the next 'source' i spose
i mean when it comes to something as personal as a reaction from a particular song...i don't understand why naming someone else saying the same thing as me makes what im saying any more or less legit...
when i think of 'gothic' the song i mentioned fits to me...and you wanted recommendations....so i was just sharing my opinon... if you disagree with it...thats cool
i obviously should have made sure my opinion was 'herd' approved in the nietzschean sense b4 i posted i guess 
10 Dec 2006, 1:55 pm
10 Dec 2006, 9:08 pm
11 Dec 2006, 1:08 am
Totally naive question: what is the name of the group and song in that video that DrowningMedusa posted? I checked the thread so far and couldn't find the answer... sorry if somebody actually did mention it.
Great song though 
Thank you for posting it! Interestingly I've heard before of people trying to find the similarities between goth ("deathrock" or whatever you want to call it) and metal, but I never understood this because although I love 80s goth, listening to most metal makes me crazy! They sound really different to me, like goth has a cleaner sound, and metal sounds busy... possibly "cluttered" to me. I can very much understand the dark elements and emotions and expressions in goth, but either I just can't hear them easily in metal, or I think that metal bands are trying too hard. I like subtle rather than overpowering, though, since my ears are rather sensitive, literally.
As anybody can tell I'm not an expert on any of this, but just saying how I interpret those kinds of music.
11 Dec 2006, 1:41 am
Deutha wrote:
>>until you cite your sources I'll keep throwing away what you're saying.
throw them away...enjoy the silence!
but alas i did cite it...myself
i would like to think in my time i have heard a decent amount of music...and hope to have an appreciation of it as much as the next 'source' i spose
i mean when it comes to something as personal as a reaction from a particular song...i don't understand why naming someone else saying the same thing as me makes what im saying any more or less legit...
when i think of 'gothic' the song i mentioned fits to me...and you wanted recommendations....so i was just sharing my opinon... if you disagree with it...thats cool
i obviously should have made sure my opinion was 'herd' approved in the nietzschean sense b4 i posted i guess
throw them away...enjoy the silence!
but alas i did cite it...myself
i would like to think in my time i have heard a decent amount of music...and hope to have an appreciation of it as much as the next 'source' i spose
i mean when it comes to something as personal as a reaction from a particular song...i don't understand why naming someone else saying the same thing as me makes what im saying any more or less legit...
when i think of 'gothic' the song i mentioned fits to me...and you wanted recommendations....so i was just sharing my opinon... if you disagree with it...thats cool
i obviously should have made sure my opinion was 'herd' approved in the nietzschean sense b4 i posted i guess
Well we're always learning right? Be happy in your knowledge that your oblvious to certian peoples opinions on what is Goth, just stick with what everyone else is saying, the people who don't even listen to the music, or are at best "Newbies".
It doesn't matter what your reaction to a song is as I've been saying all the time, some people might think of Classical as scary, that doesn't make it Gothic, Gothic Rock was at the time considered Gothic, the label stuck, that is what matters, the fact that you think your favourite bands are Gothic doesn't change the fact that the are not Goth bands, will never be Goth bands, and are certianly not Gothic Rock, Post-punk, Darkwave, ect.
Yes, I wanted bands of a particular style, not of another persons interpretation.
Again with the insults, try to learn from your mistakes, as you should have back in the Evolution Thread, and I'll try not to make any mistakes at all.
11 Dec 2006, 1:56 am
Veresae wrote:
After reading this thread, well, I think everyone has a different idea about what music is "gothic." I thought gothic bands were bands like Emilie Autumn, Marilyn Manson, Evanescence, Orgy, Zeromancer, Kidneythieves, Deadstar Assembly, Rammestein, etc. but all the bands mentioned here don't sound anything like any of them. And yes, these are some of my most favorite bands--except Rammestein, because I just don't like the singer. And I don't consider them to be really "Industrial" either, but rather "gothic/rock/metal with some Industrial influences," or in the case of Orgy and Zeromancer, "Death-pop." (Death-pop counts as gothic IMO.) Industrial, IMO, is like Frontline Assembly, Skinny Puppy, that sort of thing.
The bands mentioned in this thread seem more like the genre known as Darkwave--to me they all sound similar to The Cruxshadows, with the same singing and instrumental stylings. "Gothic" is an adjective, and contrary to popular belief by non-goths it can be a very broad one. There are multiple kinds of "goth music." It is not limited to Gothic Darkwave Rock from the 80's and 90's. Just because something isn't that one kind of gothic doesn't mean it's not gothic. (However, I do think the label is sometimes overused. For example, how the hell is Aiden gothic? Their sound is totally emo.)
Just sharing my thoughts on this.
The bands mentioned in this thread seem more like the genre known as Darkwave--to me they all sound similar to The Cruxshadows, with the same singing and instrumental stylings. "Gothic" is an adjective, and contrary to popular belief by non-goths it can be a very broad one. There are multiple kinds of "goth music." It is not limited to Gothic Darkwave Rock from the 80's and 90's. Just because something isn't that one kind of gothic doesn't mean it's not gothic. (However, I do think the label is sometimes overused. For example, how the hell is Aiden gothic? Their sound is totally emo.)
Just sharing my thoughts on this.
Obviously I should have stuck with either, "Goth bands" and "Gothic Rock" more specifically, instead of something that could have been misinterpreted as an adjective. Hmm by interesting coincidence Rammstien is the only band out of them that I actually like, and, IMO, very few of those bands share any similarities at all.
You're not wrong there, that is Industrial, I just think that what you're interpreting as a Gothic influence is somehting completely different.
Uhhh? Gang of Four? The Fall? Bauhaus? All Darkwave? Well Mick Mercer always said that it was a stupid and usless term (Or something like that), the more I look into things the more I think that maybe he was right, maybe it doesn't describe a style, but rather is a way of saying "I'm different".
Well the use of Gothic is complicated, I think that because of confusion, and the media, and all that, it's come to describe the same thing, Gothic Rock, which is what I did there, I used Gothic as shorthand, I think, I can't really remember what I was thinking.
Aiden is definitely Emo.
11 Dec 2006, 2:03 am
11 Dec 2006, 2:06 am
krex wrote:
When I went through my "deathrock" phase in 84?There was no term of "goth"...it was deathrock and most popular was Bauhaus and Sister of Mercy...there just wasnt that much that fit into that catagory.
Alot of the same people wo listened to this also liked ...."the Swans","Psycic TV","Scratch Acid"...I dont think those are considered deathrock but not sure what they are...".music to slit your wrists to"???and if that appeals...you can always put on The Residents CD while watching Earaserhead on acid....(I will not be held responsible for the actions of anyone who chooses this combination....hide the cutlery)
Alot of the same people wo listened to this also liked ...."the Swans","Psycic TV","Scratch Acid"...I dont think those are considered deathrock but not sure what they are...".music to slit your wrists to"???and if that appeals...you can always put on The Residents CD while watching Earaserhead on acid....(I will not be held responsible for the actions of anyone who chooses this combination....hide the cutlery)
That's what I've heard in my "Research".
I've got tons of Swans songs, and I am aware of the other bands, Psychic TV and Scratch Acid are both Industrial, Swans is more complicated, they sound sort of like Industrial but sort of like Post-punk, really messed up music.
I am also aware of The Residents, I'm aware of alot of bands though, I don't have much time seeing as I'm always posting on here.
11 Dec 2006, 2:13 am
Stinkypuppy wrote:
Totally naive question: what is the name of the group and song in that video that DrowningMedusa posted? I checked the thread so far and couldn't find the answer... sorry if somebody actually did mention it.
Great song though Thank you for posting it! Interestingly I've heard before of people trying to find the similarities between goth ("deathrock" or whatever you want to call it) and metal, but I never understood this because although I love 80s goth, listening to most metal makes me crazy! They sound really different to me, like goth has a cleaner sound, and metal sounds busy... possibly "cluttered" to me. I can very much understand the dark elements and emotions and expressions in goth, but either I just can't hear them easily in metal, or I think that metal bands are trying too hard. I like subtle rather than overpowering, though, since my ears are rather sensitive, literally.
As anybody can tell I'm not an expert on any of this, but just saying how I interpret those kinds of music.
Great song though
Thank you for posting it! Interestingly I've heard before of people trying to find the similarities between goth ("deathrock" or whatever you want to call it) and metal, but I never understood this because although I love 80s goth, listening to most metal makes me crazy! They sound really different to me, like goth has a cleaner sound, and metal sounds busy... possibly "cluttered" to me. I can very much understand the dark elements and emotions and expressions in goth, but either I just can't hear them easily in metal, or I think that metal bands are trying too hard. I like subtle rather than overpowering, though, since my ears are rather sensitive, literally.As anybody can tell I'm not an expert on any of this, but just saying how I interpret those kinds of music.
It's "She's in Parties" by Bauhaus, they're best song by far is "Bela Lugosi's Dead" which is what I was referring to, they were virtually unknown in back the 80s, but because of Goth culture they're a really big band now, at least with Goths.
Exactly, they do sound different, and I completely agree with you
, although Metal comes in a wide variety of styles, so not all of it will sound noisy, Power Metal, Neo-Classical Metal, ect, Wikipedia is your friend in this case (Stay away from most Black Metal and Death Metal.)
