wanting to say something but unable make the words come out

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08 Jul 2014, 8:15 pm

I get it when someone has hurt me terribly. The words get stuck in my heart.



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08 Jul 2014, 8:15 pm

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Do we seriously need talking tutorials around here?

I thought non-verbal communication was the troublesome topic. Don't tell me we're failing on the straight-forward talking front now too.


Seriously? Lots of people with ASDs have difficulty with verbal language as well, even aspies. You've been a member for a couple of years- I'm surprised you haven't seen the many threads on the topic.


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08 Jul 2014, 8:30 pm

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Interesting... instead of replying to the question at hand regarding issues with talking and contributing to the conversation, you attack me... hummm...



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08 Jul 2014, 8:46 pm

It was in my search as to why I do this that I discovered Asperger's. It is not a physical thing, my mouth and vocal cords work just fine. lol The words will simple not appear. I can see in my head what I want to say, but the words that go with the images never appear.



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08 Jul 2014, 9:11 pm

Back to the topic at hand. This is not an uncommon problem and there are a number of methods which have worked for other people. Consider sign. Sometimes I use flashcards to good effect and I always carry a memo notebook and pen around because you never know when this issue will come up and you do not have time to work around it. Good luck.



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08 Jul 2014, 9:25 pm

That happens to me sometimes. When I am really distraught or anxious I can't always form words and I just kind of whine.


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09 Jul 2014, 11:56 am

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Yeah I have had that, sometimes its due to not being able to figure out how to word something so people will understand my meaning. Though other times I've had times when there is a specific word I want to use but don't because somewhere in my mind it somehow seems embarrasing, I mean its happened with just random words but its like I am too embarrassed to say it...that has diminished though can't really remember the last time I had that issue. Then other times its hard to arrange my thoughts to think of anything at all to say.


Pretty much all of what was stated before seems to be my issue. This deep seated embarrassment prevents me from opening up verbally.


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09 Jul 2014, 5:03 pm

I have trouble putting my thoughts into words sometimes. It happens even when I'm completely calm and alone, and I haven't noticed it being any worse in company, in fact it's probably better with individuals I feel good about, maybe worse in groups that habitually talk quickly and / or competitively, though I avoid those fairly well and when I can't, I'm usually resigned to staying pretty quiet.

So in me it feels like an annoying technical hassle, as if the mentalese to English translator in my brain has balked at a job. If I remember, I try to give it another go later, and there's not much that doesn't eventually unscramble into words. I often find that what felt like a small mentalese thought can take a lot of English to express it. But I also have trouble describing some visual (3-dimensional?) problems I'm solving, such as how to make a warped cupboard door close straight. I guess that's normal though, pictures being worth a thousand words - if I keep writing it down and editing, I get there. So I think the cause of the difficulty might be just that there's a lot to process. I've also noticed that it can take a long time to make sense of old written notes about some tasks, notably special interests when they get technical, even though I was doing my best to write it clearly, but short of time.

Thoughts about emotional and interpersonal matters can take a long time to express in words. I remember trying to express my thinking about a couple of incidents I'd been through that were similar in character, and had both led me to feel uncomfortably resentful. Something hit me that took a few days before I could express it. The resentment had been long gone and I didn't feel uncomfortable exploring it, it was just annoyingly difficult to put it into words, but I got there, and I felt it was a bit of a step forward, I learned something about myself that I hope will be useful for making those negative feelings less likely.

I think a lot about things I can't yet understand, and if I can't understand a thing, I can't put it into words. Writing it helps me to shape it into something coherent and intelligible. I should use drawings more.

I think I've just got a slow thinking style sometimes, which is incompatible with being rushed, other times it's fairly quick.



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09 Jul 2014, 8:27 pm

:cry: yes.... this is the biggest difficulty that im facing right now (mainly because even with the meds im starting to sink back into the silence. and its something ive struggled with ever since i can remember). but its like i know there is something i want to express, or get out, but its like my mind and mouth just wont sync up. one of the issues is, trying to explain this in particular(to my therapist) and i know whats going on, but i cant get anything out or form the sentences to even try to describe this to where she understands (ive tried; even had something that i previously typed up in the note app on my phone, and tried to show her, and she refused to read it) but sometimes im able to speak just fine, and then other times i have extreme difficulty. and when im not on the stimulant med, im only able to speak 10% of the time(if its even that much), than i do on the med.
and people keep wanting to do what they want with my meds and still expect me to continue doing as well off of the meds as i am on them.
and the expectations of other things not related in if im on my med or if im not. other expectations that i cant meet(no matter how hard i try), and not being understood, and the communication problems i have, just build up until i end up crying.

its almost like a prison gate on my verbal abilities(not literally). and the only form of communication that people around me will accept is verbal... so a few days ago i realized, "why try, if they wont try to hear me.



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10 Jul 2014, 9:00 am

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she refused to read it.

I noticed Relate, and another counselling service, used to discourage clients from using written notes, They wanted the client to be spontaneous, I suppose they felt they could see the client's feelings about things better that way, and that the client would be more likely to raise their awareness of their own feelings. I used to find that annoying too. Counselling sessions were one area where the words wouldn't always flow live. But I heard later that now they're charging for their services, some of the clients are starting to insist on written notes, on the grounds that they've paid a lot for the hour and they want to get the most out of it, and Relate lets you do that now, or at least this counsellor did.

To flatly refuse to read it though, that seems a tad unkind. The only good reason for doing that would be if it was reams of stuff, and even then, picking out a couple of written points just to prove interest wouldn't have come amiss. If you're diagnosed as on the spectrum, an autism-aware therapist ought to half expect the client to be stronger at communicating through the written word than verbally. I think the value they place on face-to-face verbal dialogue is valid, and it's helpful if the client sees its usefulness, but to push it too quick and far with Aspies isn't likely to work. I'd recommend only using therapists who have a good interest and working knowledge of autism.



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10 Jul 2014, 3:59 pm

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she refused to read it.

I noticed Relate, and another counselling service, used to discourage clients from using written notes, They wanted the client to be spontaneous, I suppose they felt they could see the client's feelings about things better that way, and that the client would be more likely to raise their awareness of their own feelings. I used to find that annoying too. Counselling sessions were one area where the words wouldn't always flow live. But I heard later that now they're charging for their services, some of the clients are starting to insist on written notes, on the grounds that they've paid a lot for the hour and they want to get the most out of it, and Relate lets you do that now, or at least this counsellor did.

To flatly refuse to read it though, that seems a tad unkind. The only good reason for doing that would be if it was reams of stuff, and even then, picking out a couple of written points just to prove interest wouldn't have come amiss. If you're diagnosed as on the spectrum, an autism-aware therapist ought to half expect the client to be stronger at communicating through the written word than verbally. I think the value they place on face-to-face verbal dialogue is valid, and it's helpful if the client sees its usefulness, but to push it too quick and far with Aspies isn't likely to work. I'd recommend only using therapists who have a good interest and working knowledge of autism.


thanks! ive actually never heard of that place before. but the organization im with right now is listed with the medicaid autism wavier people for a list of those who specialize in autism spectrum disorders... im thinking maybe i ended up with the wrong therapist tho(to put it as nicely as i can).



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10 Jul 2014, 4:06 pm

Sounds like two different problems. One that I still have problems with is finding the right words to express myself and the other problem, which I haven't had since I was a kid is simply not being able to get any words out at all - this usually happened when in a stressful situation such as an adult demanding a response to a question but in an intimidating manner, then my mind went completely blank.


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10 Jul 2014, 10:00 pm

I'm not nonverbal but I have a certain degree to trouble speaking, but it's hard for me to comprehend what people are saying to me, which contributes to me being able to respond.


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10 Jul 2014, 11:57 pm

GlennBecksTears wrote:
I get stutters when I'm stressed.


Me too. When I start getting overwhelmed, my words stop working and I stutter and stall. It makes it worse when the person I'm talking to makes fun of it, mimicking my repetitive sounds (my mom does that a lot and it drives me crazy.) When I get tired, it's harder to force words out too, and it's very easy to just slide into silence and hide out in the background.


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11 Jul 2014, 7:58 am

Saphie wrote:
the organization im with right now is listed with the medicaid autism wavier people for a list of those who specialize in autism spectrum disorders... im thinking maybe i ended up with the wrong therapist tho(to put it as nicely as i can).

It does sound like she isn't very autism-aware in practice, in spite of what the paperwork says.



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11 Jul 2014, 8:20 am

This always happens to me. I think in ideas and images more than words.

I find it helps to rehearse situations before they happen and practise what I'd like to say until it becomes second nature. Especially helpful with swearing imaginatively at bad drivers.


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