The Monkees were better than The Beetles!

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06 Sep 2014, 6:46 am

Objectively, the Beatles were better and certainly far more innovative. Their albums - at least from "Help" onwards - were generally more consistent with fewer filler tracks (I know some folks reckon "The White Album" is patchy, but I like pretty much everything on it, including Ringo's song and "Revolution 9").

Yet, for some reason I can't quite fathom, I listen to the Monkees more often - although I'm not a fan of Davy's sickly ballads. In the days when I was still young and immature enough to believe in the concept of role models, I thought Mike Nesmith would have been a cool person to be. his songwriting talent, independent personality and the sardonic sense of humour he conveyed in the TV show always appealed to me.

I can't really watch the first series of the TV show now as it just feels too juvenile. But in some of the later episodes from the second series you could already tell they were spreading their wings and venturing into more psychedelic territory (which of course reached full fruition on "Head").



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06 Sep 2014, 3:52 pm

I said that the beatles are the ones with more of those really exceptional songs but at the time i couldnt have listed any to save my life. 2 of their exceptional songs though.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kNGnIKUdMI[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaSMROk-D-A[/youtube]

I win and i only posted two songs. Nothing the monkees made beat either.



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06 Sep 2014, 8:55 pm

Bustduster wrote:
Objectively, the Beatles were better and certainly far more innovative. Their albums - at least from "Help" onwards - were generally more consistent with fewer filler tracks (I know some folks reckon "The White Album" is patchy, but I like pretty much everything on it, including Ringo's song and "Revolution 9").

Yet, for some reason I can't quite fathom, I listen to the Monkees more often - although I'm not a fan of Davy's sickly ballads. In the days when I was still young and immature enough to believe in the concept of role models, I thought Mike Nesmith would have been a cool person to be. his songwriting talent, independent spirit and the sardonic sense of humour he conveyed in the TV show always appealed to me.

I can't really watch the first series of the TV show now as it just feels too juvenile. But in some of the later episodes from the second series you could already tell they were spreading their wings and venturing into more psychedelic territory (which of course reached full fruition on "Head").



Revolution 9 is nothing but sound effects. To me, innovation doesn't necessarily make something better or enjoyable. I am all about aesthetics I don't care about "innovative". Frankly I dont think they were at all innovative. I prefer good singing and songwriting and solid performances. I don't get that from the beatles. Innovative is just a term used by people who like music that lacks good performances. Its not necessarily inspirational to listen to the Beetles. that is for sure. But I don't hate the Beetles. They just don't make me feel warm inside. The Monkees inspire me more.

However, I do like Let It Be, and possibly Hey Jude. They are okay......



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07 Sep 2014, 7:43 am

rvacountrysinger wrote:
Revolution 9 is nothing but sound effects. Frankly I dont think they were at all innovative. I prefer good singing and songwriting and solid performances. I don't get that from the beatles. Innovative is just a term used by people who like music that lacks good performances.


I take your point about innovation not automatically making for an enjoyable listen, but I disagree on the other three counts. The Beatles were surely innovative, regardless of whether you like them or not. Along with the Beach Boys, they were the first mainstream pop group to write their own songs and play on their own records. This is something we take for granted nowadays, but at the time it was utterly revolutionary. The Monkees (expect for Mike Nesmith) were - as good as their music is - throwback to the pre-60s, Tin Pan Alley era in which artists had very little creative input into their own music (which was largeley pieced together independently by professional songwriters and producers prior to "Headquarters".

And if you think "Revolution 9" is all sound effects, what about the "Head" soundtrack? Half of that album is made up of non-musical sound collages!



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26 Oct 2014, 5:30 pm

If the Beatles hadn't already existed, you'd never have had The Monkees.