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26 Apr 2007, 9:05 am

headphase wrote:
By the way, this quiz is ridiculously biased.

Yep, I know as this test is known for being a way to convert people to the libertarian party.



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26 Apr 2007, 2:08 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
headphase wrote:
By the way, this quiz is ridiculously biased.

Yep, I know as this test is known for being a way to convert people to the libertarian party.


Actually, the test comes from Jerry Pournelle's "political axes". Look it up.



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26 Apr 2007, 2:13 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
headphase wrote:
By the way, this quiz is ridiculously biased.

Yep, I know as this test is known for being a way to convert people to the libertarian party.


Only utter guillible fools turn because of some test. I stand by my point. It's trollop.


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02 May 2007, 4:17 pm

Centrist



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02 May 2007, 4:31 pm

Libertarian. FTW!


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02 May 2007, 6:53 pm

LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal and

economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one

that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.

Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose

government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate

diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.


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02 May 2007, 7:56 pm

TimT wrote:
Actually, the test comes from Jerry Pournelle's "political axes". Look it up.

I have looked it up. The test comes from David Nolan and is known as a Nolan chart. They even have an article about it on wikipedia that backs up my claims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_ ... tical_Quiz



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02 May 2007, 7:58 pm

Anubis wrote:
Only utter guillible fools turn because of some test. I stand by my point. It's trollop.

Well, actually, I don't think it is to automatically convert them but rather to get them thinking on converting. If you note, it does have a link telling people what libertarianism is on the page where we get our results.



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02 May 2007, 8:10 pm

ACCORDING TO YOUR ANSWERS,

The political description that
fits you best is...

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LIBERTARIAN

LIBERTARIANS support maximum liberty in both personal and

economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one

that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence.

Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose

government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate

diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.

The RED DOT on the Chart shows where you fit on the political map.



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03 May 2007, 8:27 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
TimT wrote:
Actually, the test comes from Jerry Pournelle's "political axes". Look it up.

I have looked it up. The test comes from David Nolan and is known as a Nolan chart. They even have an article about it on wikipedia that backs up my claims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_ ... tical_Quiz
I can't say when Jerry Pournelle published his political spectrum. I just know it was a long time ago, back when he was in college. Who was first? Was it simultaneous invention? We don't know. I would have to find a periodicals index that referred to Jerry's original article.

Nolan's chart lines things up so the "left" and the "right" are at opposite corners of the chart. Jerry Pournelle's chart puts them on the same side of the chart. I recall from my memory of the article that he did so because they were both political control freaks. In fact, Hitler and Stalin were good friends, sharing information on concentration camps. Stalin just didn't know that Hitler considered Slavs to be equivalent to talking monkeys.



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03 May 2007, 8:35 am

TimT wrote:
I can't say when Jerry Pournelle published his political spectrum. I just know it was a long time ago, back when he was in college. Who was first? Was it simultaneous invention? We don't know. I would have to find a periodicals index that referred to Jerry's original article.

Nolan's chart lines things up so the "left" and the "right" are at opposite corners of the chart. Jerry Pournelle's chart puts them on the same side of the chart. I recall from my memory of the article that he did so because they were both political control freaks. In fact, Hitler and Stalin were good friends, sharing information on concentration camps. Stalin just didn't know that Hitler considered Slavs to be equivalent to talking monkeys.

Well the Pournelle chart is similar but not extremely so, the other axis is rationalism and it does not divide the issues. The Pournelle chart and the Nolan chart are not considered the same though because of their different axes. Hitler was not on the American economic right though so he is not the shining example of the right wing, and Stalin really wasn't the type to protect intellectual liberty either. 2 totalitarians are going to have a lot in common. I will agree that one was more right and the other was more left but they were seriously both totalitarian.

Pournelle did create his chart first though, however, as you have already noted, the charts are really NOT the same.



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03 May 2007, 9:06 am

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Hitler was not on the American economic right though so he is not the shining example of the right wing, and Stalin really wasn't the type to protect intellectual liberty either. 2 totalitarians are going to have a lot in common. I will agree that one was more right and the other was more left but they were seriously both totalitarian.
The liberals skew the left & right (liberal and conservative) to call the 50's moderates "ultraconservative", leaving no room on their spectrum to define actual American Nazis and others working for a rightist dictatorship. And they exist.



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03 May 2007, 9:10 am

TimT wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Hitler was not on the American economic right though so he is not the shining example of the right wing, and Stalin really wasn't the type to protect intellectual liberty either. 2 totalitarians are going to have a lot in common. I will agree that one was more right and the other was more left but they were seriously both totalitarian.
The liberals skew the left & right (liberal and conservative) to call the 50's moderates "ultraconservative", leaving no room on their spectrum to define actual American Nazis and others working for a rightist dictatorship. And they exist.


Would those 50's moderates include the pro-segregation
south? In a lot of ways, the 1950's were an anomaly. The time
upon which I blame a lot of the destruction of the fundamental
family values, into those of the two-parent with children nuclear
family. We're suffering the aftershocks of this radical move now.



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03 May 2007, 3:34 pm

TimT wrote:
The liberals skew the left & right (liberal and conservative) to call the 50's moderates "ultraconservative", leaving no room on their spectrum to define actual American Nazis and others working for a rightist dictatorship. And they exist.

Well in some ways these moderates would be considered ultra conservative today. This is because there has been a leftward social shift, I am not sure about the economic ideas held by the common Americans in the 50s though. I don't know how deeply they were affected by the Great Depression and the Keynesian revolution as the common folk usually are not up on all trends. I really would describe Nazis as right-leaning authoritarians more than anything though. Their economic ideas are very interventionist by most measures. I know that all sorts of groups exist.



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04 May 2007, 10:11 am

I noticed China has gone from strictly communist where all sources of production were owned by the government to a more Nazi version where large corporations under the sway of the government are the source of production. The dictatorship of the proletariat is still there, it's just that they allow some profit motivation to exist.



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04 May 2007, 10:25 am

TimT wrote:
I noticed China has gone from strictly communist where all sources of production were owned by the government to a more Nazi version where large corporations under the sway of the government are the source of production. The dictatorship of the proletariat is still there, it's just that they allow some profit motivation to exist.

Well, yeah. They are pretty much selling away their communism. They let profit seeking companies into their borders, they have created property right laws and all sorts of things of that nature.