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12 Sep 2017, 2:29 pm
rvacountrysinger wrote:
Marknis wrote:
thewrll wrote:
Another Rock hater. Leave the genre alone and go back to wherever you came from.
Rednecks can't appreciate musical talent or creativity. To them, if it doesn't have twangy accents or paint by numbers acoustic strumming or picking, it's "weeurd" or "devuhl's mewsick". They over identify with their own romanticized view of their culture that anything outside it clashes with their paradigm and they wonder why the rest of the world can't stand them.
If they don't like rock or metal because it isn't their cup of tea, fine. But when they say something stupid and stereotypical like "They are just screamin' and yellin' their heads off!" or "That's just noise coming from the guitar!", I have a bone to pick with them. I'd rather hear a metal singer yell out about pushing through society's barriers than some goofy happy redneck singing cheerfully about drinking beer instead of water to help the environment which is stupid because water is required to make beer. The coordination and finesse required to play some rock and metal guitar styles is also not something subjective but objective. Unfortunately, all that is too much for redneck brains to comprehend. They just want something cheap and easy to consume because they are too comfort zoned.
The problem is that Metal music is not a song driven genre. Country Music is a song driven genre. Metal is more about the loudness and intensity, rather than well crafted songs. There is a ton of CREATIVITY in Country music! You are so ignorant about it. I don't listen to Top 40 Country anyway. Pop music less so. But Country Music is a very broad genre with so many styles and stylists, its hard to pick the best. I just know in general, its more aesthetically pleasing! Its about real life, and real people and lyrics that have deep meaning. You just don't get it. And your stereotypes sound uneducated .
Metal doesn't have songs just because they are loud and intense? Oh, you are so right!
Seriously, no. Metal still has instrumentation, chord progressions, and time signatures whether you like it or not. Music is meant to be expressionistic so how can volume and intense instrumenation cancel it out? It doesn't. Songs can be intense if the musician desires it to be so. I live in the Bible Belt and my father's side of the family are mostly rednecks. The redneck ones are completely racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, and jingoistic. I know what I am talking about. You are just upset I am not buying in to your sick culture. Pop country is also what most of your fellow rednecks gulp down.
12 Sep 2017, 2:33 pm
Marknis wrote:
rvacountrysinger wrote:
Marknis wrote:
thewrll wrote:
Another Rock hater. Leave the genre alone and go back to wherever you came from.
Rednecks can't appreciate musical talent or creativity. To them, if it doesn't have twangy accents or paint by numbers acoustic strumming or picking, it's "weeurd" or "devuhl's mewsick". They over identify with their own romanticized view of their culture that anything outside it clashes with their paradigm and they wonder why the rest of the world can't stand them.
If they don't like rock or metal because it isn't their cup of tea, fine. But when they say something stupid and stereotypical like "They are just screamin' and yellin' their heads off!" or "That's just noise coming from the guitar!", I have a bone to pick with them. I'd rather hear a metal singer yell out about pushing through society's barriers than some goofy happy redneck singing cheerfully about drinking beer instead of water to help the environment which is stupid because water is required to make beer. The coordination and finesse required to play some rock and metal guitar styles is also not something subjective but objective. Unfortunately, all that is too much for redneck brains to comprehend. They just want something cheap and easy to consume because they are too comfort zoned.
The problem is that Metal music is not a song driven genre. Country Music is a song driven genre. Metal is more about the loudness and intensity, rather than well crafted songs. There is a ton of CREATIVITY in Country music! You are so ignorant about it. I don't listen to Top 40 Country anyway. Pop music less so. But Country Music is a very broad genre with so many styles and stylists, its hard to pick the best. I just know in general, its more aesthetically pleasing! Its about real life, and real people and lyrics that have deep meaning. You just don't get it. And your stereotypes sound uneducated .
Metal doesn't have songs just because they are loud and intense? Oh, you are so right!
Seriously, no. Metal still has instrumentation, chord progressions, and time signatures whether you like it or not. Music is meant to be expressionistic so how can volume and intense instrumenation cancel it out? It doesn't. Songs can be intense if the musician desires it to be so. I live in the Bible Belt and my father's side of the family are mostly rednecks. The redneck ones are completely racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, and jingoistic. I know what I am talking about. You are just upset I am not buying in to your sick culture. Pop country is also what most of your fellow rednecks gulp down.
Music doesn't have to be tied to a culture. I like Country Music (in the broad sense) because I'm a songwriter who "gets it". No offense, but you sound just as intolerant as the people you describe. If someone doesn't agree with homosexuality does that make them a "homophobe?" Regardless, I see we can't agree on it. No, I really don't like Pop Country. The good country music on radio died over 20 years ago. But real Country music to me, is very much a genuine art form full of expression and, I just happen to enjoy it more for the aesthetics therein. As I said before, quite a lot of Metal is not melodic (some is actually a-tonal) and the guttural screams in sub genres such as hardcore do not display "talent" to me. But if that is what you considered "enlightened" (non redneck? ) music , then that is your own perception, and you are free to express that.
12 Sep 2017, 2:44 pm
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12 Sep 2017, 5:22 pm
rvacountrysinger wrote:
Marknis wrote:
rvacountrysinger wrote:
Marknis wrote:
thewrll wrote:
Another Rock hater. Leave the genre alone and go back to wherever you came from.
Rednecks can't appreciate musical talent or creativity. To them, if it doesn't have twangy accents or paint by numbers acoustic strumming or picking, it's "weeurd" or "devuhl's mewsick". They over identify with their own romanticized view of their culture that anything outside it clashes with their paradigm and they wonder why the rest of the world can't stand them.
If they don't like rock or metal because it isn't their cup of tea, fine. But when they say something stupid and stereotypical like "They are just screamin' and yellin' their heads off!" or "That's just noise coming from the guitar!", I have a bone to pick with them. I'd rather hear a metal singer yell out about pushing through society's barriers than some goofy happy redneck singing cheerfully about drinking beer instead of water to help the environment which is stupid because water is required to make beer. The coordination and finesse required to play some rock and metal guitar styles is also not something subjective but objective. Unfortunately, all that is too much for redneck brains to comprehend. They just want something cheap and easy to consume because they are too comfort zoned.
The problem is that Metal music is not a song driven genre. Country Music is a song driven genre. Metal is more about the loudness and intensity, rather than well crafted songs. There is a ton of CREATIVITY in Country music! You are so ignorant about it. I don't listen to Top 40 Country anyway. Pop music less so. But Country Music is a very broad genre with so many styles and stylists, its hard to pick the best. I just know in general, its more aesthetically pleasing! Its about real life, and real people and lyrics that have deep meaning. You just don't get it. And your stereotypes sound uneducated .
Metal doesn't have songs just because they are loud and intense? Oh, you are so right!
Seriously, no. Metal still has instrumentation, chord progressions, and time signatures whether you like it or not. Music is meant to be expressionistic so how can volume and intense instrumenation cancel it out? It doesn't. Songs can be intense if the musician desires it to be so. I live in the Bible Belt and my father's side of the family are mostly rednecks. The redneck ones are completely racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, and jingoistic. I know what I am talking about. You are just upset I am not buying in to your sick culture. Pop country is also what most of your fellow rednecks gulp down.
Music doesn't have to be tied to a culture. I like Country Music (in the broad sense) because I'm a songwriter who "gets it". No offense, but you sound just as intolerant as the people you describe. If someone doesn't agree with homosexuality does that make them a "homophobe?" Regardless, I see we can't agree on it. No, I really don't like Pop Country. The good country music on radio died over 20 years ago. But real Country music to me, is very much a genuine art form full of expression and, I just happen to enjoy it more for the aesthetics therein. As I said before, quite a lot of Metal is not melodic (some is actually a-tonal) and the guttural screams in sub genres such as hardcore do not display "talent" to me. But if that is what you considered "enlightened" (non redneck? ) music , then that is your own perception, and you are free to express that.
Rednecks fuse with their own ideas and hate everyone else except themselves so they bring the reactions they get on themselves. They immediately call others "queers" or "fa***ts", "n****rs", "wetbacks", "Muslims", "Jews", "Europeans", and "b*****s" with no provocation. My father, his family for the most part, and the other rednecks I encounter in my daily life do this. Pop country is tied to that culture.
Metal's not an art form just because you don't like it? Oh, real smart there.
Metal is not trying to reach out to people like you but those who enjoy powerful rhythms and sounds. Hardcore is not metal, it's a form of punk rock, and you are objectively wrong once more about the vocals. They have to warm up their voices just like any other vocal style and use their diaphragms as well or else they would ruin their vocals. Punk is also meant to go against the grain so it's not supposed to be about conforming to "norms" but individualism and pure self-expression. They aren't trying to impress people, they just want to express themselves and connect with others who want the same things as well.
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12 Sep 2017, 5:29 pm
rvacountrysinger wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
It's good to see you reached the conclusion ALL rock singers can't sing based on (in your own words) "a few" that you found unpleasant. Of course you could have just said: "I don't like rock music", but as a "polite troll" that wouldn't generate the outrage you're looking for.
I don't really hate Rock music. Its just that for a genre that has such mass appeal, I'm trying to figure out. And I do notice that the vocals are just not very pleasing (to me) . In certain sub genres such as hardcore etc it literally is a guttural scream. And that to me doesn't require any real talent. Its not talent to just scream like that. Real singers make notes and know how to use dynamics, etc.
I don't hear anything resembling a "guttural scream" here. Way to stereotype.
12 Sep 2017, 5:31 pm
rvacountrysinger wrote:
Raleigh wrote:
You heard some rock bands unplugged and they weren't great?
Well, obviously the whole genre sucks then.
The loud drums and guitar are the main reason that rock appeals to me.
The vocals are just one element of the sound as a whole.
Well, obviously the whole genre sucks then.
The loud drums and guitar are the main reason that rock appeals to me.
The vocals are just one element of the sound as a whole.
Guitar riffs are not songs. Vocals convey the emotion and the message. The lyrics are what make a song.
If anything guitar riffs are boring and conventional and uncreative.
Country musicians use riffs as well. By your own logic, country music is boring as well. Are you that damn clueless?
12 Sep 2017, 5:49 pm
If metal and rock music is so terrible, I wonder why it has such a huge following?
It's all based on individual taste.
Not everyone likes a Picasso either.
Rubbishing someone else's individual taste is never going to go down well. 
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