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22 Jul 2007, 11:34 pm

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by the way, i'm not an xbox fanboy so i'm not actually putting any effort into this....i just hate sony because the new system is overpriced crap on a stick.

i'm a nintendo fanboy and nintendo's games aren't about the raw power of the system as much as solid games that are fun...which they've succeeded in achieving with zelda, wii sports, super paper mario....metroid prime 3 is about to drop and destroy everything.

and sony stole the six axis from nintendo's idea for motion sensing.

not to mention getting rid of force-feedback.

Did you know that Sony and Nintendio were working on a 32-Bit CD console back in the
late 1980`s and early 1990`s. Nintendio decided to drop the whole thing because Sony
wanted too much of the share saying that the compact disc part of the project surpasses
the Programming part. Sony than stole nintendios prototype and came out w/ the Playstation.

i thought it was phillips...and that's why the CD-i got the zelda title to rape for those couple of games.

and if sony was involved in that....then that's more than enough reason to hate sony....the raping of the zelda series.

and it was the early 90s...it was going to be a peripheral add-on to the SNES....kinda like the sega cd was.

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22 Jul 2007, 11:37 pm

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G4 Gamers Television had a special on the next gen consoles a couple of months ago.

Your point being what?

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That's a rather distorted view.

Sony wanted part of the royalties-that's the whole point of having a console platform. Nintendo decided they didn't want to share that-which is something I also understand.

And more significantly, Sony didn't "steal" anything from Nintendo. The Super NES contains Sony-designed technology. The Playstation that got released wasn't the Playstation project from the late 80's. That should be self evident even if you don't know the story behind all that.

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22 Jul 2007, 11:40 pm

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PowerPC, FTW!

You do of course realize that all three systems use PowerPC based CPUs, right?

...and? I don't see how that affects the fact that I prefer PowerPC to Intel.

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22 Jul 2007, 11:46 pm

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Good grief. Where are you guys getting this stuff?

Nintendo and Sony were originally working together. Nintendo dumped Sony-and actually did it in a completely unprofessional manner. They announced the break up AT a trade show, without even giving Sony any warning.

Nintendo then announced they were working with Phillips, which in the early 90's was also abandoned, with just those CD-i games to show for it.

I'm assuming maybe you two weren't around when Nintendo had a stranglehold on the market? You're painting a rosy picture of Nintendo that they don't deserve. They weren't a pleasant company. They bullied around developers, publishers, stores, other companies trying to compete in the game market, etc. They lost a class action suite in the U.S. for price fixing (not that we got much of anything out of it). They artificially introduced game shortages, controlled what and when 3rd parties could publish, etc.

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23 Jul 2007, 12:17 am

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PowerPC, FTW!

You do of course realize that all three systems use PowerPC based CPUs, right?

...and? I don't see how that affects the fact that I prefer PowerPC to Intel.

I think I misunderstood what you post meant. Well, in that case

I'll have to point out that Intel's CPUs are far better designs, and far more efficient than the CPUs in the 360 or Playstation 3. Both completely lack out of order execution, and have terrible branch prediction. They threw away 10+ years of RISC CPU design developments in those things-they make the Pentium 4 look efficent.

The desktop PowerPC chips were mostly competitive with Intel's designs for their time (a couple of times exceeding what Intel was doing), but they're dead now.

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23 Jul 2007, 12:30 am

Wolfpup wrote:

violentcloud wrote:

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PowerPC, FTW!

You do of course realize that all three systems use PowerPC based CPUs, right?

...and? I don't see how that affects the fact that I prefer PowerPC to Intel.

I think I misunderstood what you post meant. Well, in that case

Funny that, mine runs considerably well for a dead chip

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23 Jul 2007, 12:38 am

violentcloud wrote:

Wolfpup wrote:

violentcloud wrote:

Wolfpup wrote:

violentcloud wrote:

PowerPC, FTW!

You do of course realize that all three systems use PowerPC based CPUs, right?

...and? I don't see how that affects the fact that I prefer PowerPC to Intel.

I think I misunderstood what you post meant. Well, in that case

Funny that, mine runs considerably well for a dead chip

Dead as in they aren't used in PCs anymore, and they aren't being designed anymore for anything but integrated applications. Not dead as in currently existing CPUs spontaneously exploded

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23 Jul 2007, 12:47 am

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You're painting a rosy picture of Nintendo that they don't deserve.

someone's bitter that sega lost out in the end.

figures a sega fanboy would morph into a playstation fanboy.

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23 Jul 2007, 1:06 am

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You're painting a rosy picture of Nintendo that they don't deserve.

someone's bitter that sega lost out in the end.

figures a sega fanboy would morph into a playstation fanboy.

I'm not a fanboy at all and never have been. I'm not bitter about anything related to game systems. I'm pointing out incorrect statements.

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23 Jul 2007, 8:23 pm

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Nintendio done the deal w/ phillips after Sony got greedy and wrecked the deal. Sony than stole the whole prototype and what nintendio did and named it the playstation.

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24 Jul 2007, 9:13 am

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Nintendio done the deal w/ phillips after Sony got greedy and wrecked the deal. Sony than stole the whole prototype and what nintendio did and named it the playstation.

Did you read what I wrote before? What you're saying just isn't true. None of it.

-Sony didn't "get greedy". As I said before, Nintendo backed out of the deal that they had already agreed to, and did it in a sleezy fashion that was frowned on by the Japanese business community.

-Sony didn't "steal" the prototype, for two reasons. 1) THEY MADE THE PROTOTYPE. It was there design, there hardware. They couldn't "steal" something they owned. The Super NES as it is has a lot of Sony hardware in it. And 2) the Playstation that was released has no direct connection to the Playstation project that was a joint project with Nintendo. It was designed years later, obviously using much newer, much more advanced technology.

Please quit repeating false claims.

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24 Jul 2007, 9:19 pm

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They did that to prevent legal action and wasteing there money. Tengen already published games for the NES that lost Nintendio money because of them being pirates. Super Mario Bros. could have been pitated and resold if Nintendio didn`t
do anything that stop it w/ the NES10 Lockout chip. Its called preventing theft and
hackers, which at the time was booming thinks to people trying to make a quick buck.

That is also the same reason why Nintendio didn`t publish GTA for the Gamecube and
edited games like Wolf 3D for the SNES. They didn`t want to put up with the same
lawsuits ID Software and Rockstar games were dealing with. Especially from the german govn`t for using Hitler and the Nazis in Wolfenstein. Why else do you think
Wolfenstien can`t sell in Germany.

So it is called Nintendio doesnt want to lose money and get a fat lawsuit.

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24 Jul 2007, 9:31 pm

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Nintendio done the deal w/ phillips after Sony got greedy and wrecked the deal. Sony than stole the whole prototype and what nintendio did and named it the playstation.

If Nintendio was frowned on so much why is Nintendio still thriving in the Japenese
Market. Sony is going down thinks to blowing all that money on Bluray. I sure won`t
pay $600 to play the same games you can play on other systems just because Sony
blown all that money on Bluray.

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25 Jul 2007, 3:28 am

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They did that to prevent legal action and wasteing there money. Tengen already published games for the NES that lost Nintendio money because of them being pirates.

Tengen was a legitimate company, not a group of pirates. And the only money Nintendo "lost" from them was licensing fees-which they had a legal right to avoid as they did.

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Super Mario Bros. could have been pitated and resold if Nintendio didn`t
do anything that stop it w/ the NES10 Lockout chip. Its called preventing theft and
hackers, which at the time was booming thinks to people trying to make a quick buck.

Nintendo's business practices back then had nothing what so ever to do with piracy. They manipulated the market, their 3rd parties, etc. to their own benefit, at the expense of everyone else. That doesn't have the slightest thing to do with preventing piracy.

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That is also the same reason why Nintendio didn`t publish GTA for the Gamecube and
edited games like Wolf 3D for the SNES. They didn`t want to put up with the same
lawsuits ID Software and Rockstar games were dealing with.

You're confusing multiple different issues. Wolfenstein 3D had nothing at all to do with Nintendo's business practices through the early 90's. And GTA wasn't published on the Gamecube because Take 2 didn't want to publish it. Nintendo would have been thrilled had they been able to get it.

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25 Jul 2007, 3:32 am

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If Nintendio was frowned on so much why is Nintendio still thriving in the Japenese
Market.

"Still"? That was almost 20 years ago, and has no connection to Japanese CONSUMERS anyway. And Nintendo was doing horribly for years in Japan, just like everywhere else. It's not until the last few years that things have turned around for them.

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Sony is going down thinks to blowing all that money on Bluray. I sure won`t
pay $600 to play the same games you can play on other systems just because Sony
blown all that money on Bluray.

1) Not all games are available on other platforms. (And the "other platforms" are just PC and 360). 2) The Playstation 3 has been $500 for most of it's existence, which is about the same as the X-Box 360 ($480 for a more or less comparable system with HDMI, plus $50/year if you want to play online).

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25 Jul 2007, 9:04 pm

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2) The Playstation 3 has been $500 for most of it's existence

because they couldn't move units at $600 so they have to take a deeper loss.

i love how you had to specify that other platforms doesn't include nintendo. true sony fanboy.

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