I struggle with being "too much" for people; anyone with me?
I can be for short periods, but it comes with effort. And like most autistics, I need my alone time.
Now, a question for you. If you're female, why does your avatar look like Dwight Shrute?
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For a long time I didn't think I could possibly have ASD because I'm actually pretty obsessed with people. People are one of my special interests; I've even used the phrase "I collect people" - I "collect" their personality traits, their moral standards and convictions, the kind of relationships they form and the decisions they make within those relationships etc. I also love creating characters in my head, which are a mishmash of all the people I've "collected".
Anyway, that's just a sort of backstory so you get the idea that I do enjoy socialising (half the time; the other half I'm trying to get away from people)
I've always been perceived as intense. As a child I was super bossy and pretty oblivious of others' wants; I just wanted to make up all the rules and tell everyone what to do. Kids and teachers didn't really like me, but I couldn't care less at the time.
I'm completely different now; I'm a "chameleon" and I tailor my mask to the person in front of me, both to seem normal and to make sure they don't dislike me. But despite my ability to hide a lot of my true self, I still cannot stop being intense; being "too much."
Example: Someone I'm speaking with (NT) will make a comment about something - politics; the environment; a celebrity; whatever, and I will respond using the knowledge that I have collected on that subject and I am super passionate about exchanging knowledge. However, I often find that most people don't care about anything that much; for as long as I can remember I've been baffled by those who are not interested in learning new things about the very topics they have chosen to bring up in a conversation with me. I often get the impression that "normal" conversations should only be shallow and light and whenever you start getting passionate about something, it's like a loud fart; the atmosphere suddenly gets uncomfortable. The only people I can talk to about things in depth are my best friends and partner; all of whom are on the spectrum.
I find that people on the spectrum are passionate/obsessive to a level that NT people deem "strange" and that has been one of my biggest obstacles socially. It's actually kinda depressing. Like I said, it's the one thing I can't seem to hide and after a while I always get that look - that "this person is weird" look
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Does anybody relate to this at all?
I hope I managed to convey my meaning well.
Thank you for reading.
I can't mask at all. Maybe I'll learn that in time. But I totally get the intensity issue, that's me. In fact a friend of mine a few months ago told me I'm so intense that it makes people want to avoid me. Sometimes that comes out in anger, although if I'm happy (I wish I felt that more often), afraid, sad or feeling something else that can be equally intense.
I was also kinda bossy at least w/some of my friends as a kid. And I get your example of wanting to share knowledge, though I do often have the bad habit of trying monopolizing a conversation sometimes w/o even knowing I'm doing it. I think I've improved, but I do have plenty of work still to do. I think overall being intense is fine w/people you're close to, at least in moderation. It becomes harder w/others and I don't know what exactly you do about that other than yeah, working on regulating your emotions.
Now, a question for you. If you're female, why does your avatar look like Dwight Shrute?
I relate to that, definitely.
Haha well, first of all, I love Dwight and that picture of him is pretty funny. Also Comedy is one of my biggest obsessions.
Second of all, like many AS females, my perception of my gender is "abnormal". In fact, if I had to describe most accurately how I perceive myself, it would be as a gay man (or even a man in drag) because I feel masculine on the inside but feminine on the outside (and I am attracted to men pretty much exclusively). So yeah, since I feel more like a man on the inside, I often identify with men more and my "heroes" are mostly men. I also find that like many AS females I get on better with men; I understand them better. I have to try twice as hard when socialising with women.
I hope my answer gave you some interesting insights
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I was also kinda bossy at least w/some of my friends as a kid. And I get your example of wanting to share knowledge, though I do often have the bad habit of trying monopolizing a conversation sometimes w/o even knowing I'm doing it. I think I've improved, but I do have plenty of work still to do. I think overall being intense is fine w/people you're close to, at least in moderation. It becomes harder w/others and I don't know what exactly you do about that other than yeah, working on regulating your emotions.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I do find that AS people are divided into those who either implode or explode - some come across as shy and it's hard for them to come out of their shell, but others can't seem to reel themselves in; sounds like you and I are the latter. Both have their own pros and cons, of course.
I do think that, as you pointed out, one of our biggest flaws is monopolising the conversation and that's probably one of the most important areas to keep improving. If we can learn to hold a balanced dialogue, then hopefully we can find people who actually appreciate our intensity. I feel so lucky because my partner and 2 best friends actually like learning new things, so if I have some information for them, they are eager to hear it and they appreciate me sharing it. I think the key is surrounding yourself with those people.
And yeah, I share your struggles with regulating emotion :/ when I feel rejected in a conversation, like they don't want to hear what I have to say, it does make me either sad or angry and the intensity of my emotions is exhausting; I'm sure you know.
It says that you're male and I think it's harder for men to develop the mask, but trust me, the mask comes with it's own burdens. For example - if the person meets me and thinks "oh this is a nice and normal girl; I want to be friends with her" and then some time later when that person sees my mask starting to slip and that "abnormality" peeks through, that person can react in ways that are quite upsetting to me. So in a way, it's good that you are more or less yourself with others and they know what they get with you, so you won't end up disappointing them later. Silver linings
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Yeah, that is so sad
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There are actually two types of masking. One type is social masking where you mirror the action of others. This is generally found in female Aspies and can lead to quite a bit of stress over time to maintain. They tend to mask their introversion by mirror the actions of extrovert females. They tend to lose their identity in the process. The other type of masking is the type I use. Deep down inside I am still a child. I am frozen in the childhood development phase of a 4 year old. So my type of masking is that I mask as an introvert adult male. It is easy to do and I have been doing this successfully for almost 70 years now. I do not know if this is common but I suspect that many male Aspies may relate to this. When I was growing up, I related more towards adults than children. [Kind of reminds me of the TV comedy called Young Sheldon.} It causes very little stress to mask in this manner. It is automatic. I am a bright child and can function in the adult world with my mask. And this becomes increasingly easier as my body physically aged.
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Second of all, like many AS females, my perception of my gender is "abnormal". In fact, if I had to describe most accurately how I perceive myself, it would be as a gay man (or even a man in drag) because I feel masculine on the inside but feminine on the outside (and I am attracted to men pretty much exclusively). So yeah, since I feel more like a man on the inside, I often identify with men more and my "heroes" are mostly men. I also find that like many AS females I get on better with men; I understand them better. I have to try twice as hard when socialising with women.
I hope my answer gave you some interesting insights
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OK, that answer was satisfying. My husband sometimes says he feels like he should have been a woman - and if he had been, he would be a Lesbian. I don't know quite what to make of that, so I just tell him I love him.
Comedy is pretty important to me, too. Not saying I don't like any other art form, but into every week, a little comedy damn well better fall. It gets you through some very tough times, doesn't it?
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This is really fascinating. As far as I know I've never come across anyone who masks in the way you do. It's admirable that you are able to do that. So can I ask - what does it look like when the mask comes off? When you're in the comfort of solitude do you act like a young child or are you only a child in the way you feel? Of course only answer if you are comfortable with sharing.
I wear the former kind of mask that you referred to - the typical female AS mask and it really is draining and stressful. I have lost myself in the process in a lot of ways, or rather failed to form a complete self the way that others my age have. I am currently working on finding myself and learning to accept the true self - the one behind the mask.
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Comedy is pretty important to me, too. Not saying I don't like any other art form, but into every week, a little comedy damn well better fall. It gets you through some very tough times, doesn't it?
Haha I definitely relate to your husband. Is he AS too? My husband (also AS) doesn't know what to make of me saying I feel like a gay man either
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I completely agree - comedy makes life so much brighter and sweeter. I hold on to moments that make me laugh, collect them in my mind and carry them with me, like valuable objects. I have the ability to remember lines from shows pretty well and my mind enjoys the repetition so I like to watch the things that make me laugh over and over.
What are some of your favourite sources of comedy? Like certain tv shows, films, comedians etc.
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That is impressive and definitely useful! I can relate to being able to remember things I'm interested in incredibly well, but completely forgetting things I'm not interested in.
One of my best friends, who is also on the spectrum, has trouble remembering faces too and it's gotten him into trouble before; it's tough.
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I don't really take off the mask. Although at age 70, I still enjoy playing RPG video games and going on really, really fast roller coasters.
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I know someone who is "too much" for people. I think they think they're interacting just like anyone else would, but to others it's so obvious. It's stressful just being around the person and exhausting. They've always been that way. They may think they're good at masking, but they're not. Masking is only part of the equation. They have a vibe of intensity which is hard for most other people to deal with on a regular basis.
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