15 Oct 2020, 9:34 pm
adromedanblackhole wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Isn't this simply a case of being on the spectrum?
Aren't most of us always on the outside looking in?
Oh, and: "There, there."
Aren't most of us always on the outside looking in?
Oh, and: "There, there."
Maybe? It's more than just outside looking in, it's usually very deliberately excluded in the most painful of ways. Because I tend to come across as disinterested and also expecting for the shun to happen. Because I'm disinterested it makes me people who does this b***h think she is and bam, shun ensues. Keep a friendly distance, they swarm and attack. Try to pretend to care, they swarm and attack. I'm tired of dealing with chimpanzees.
I literally just walk in the opposite direction away from "Chimps", wherever I can.
Do you know what a "Hikikomori" is?
15 Oct 2020, 9:37 pm
adromedanblackhole wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
adromedanblackhole wrote:
Since leaving this company, I've found most other work environments are just less extreme versions of the same place.
I don't understand how this has been accepted as the norm or how people go on living like this, that this is just the world we live in and the powerful make the powerless feel weak and if a person is dumb enough to be taken advantage of they deserve it.
I don't understand how this has been accepted as the norm or how people go on living like this, that this is just the world we live in and the powerful make the powerless feel weak and if a person is dumb enough to be taken advantage of they deserve it.
Yes I have worked in 20-30 different places over the past 35 years and there is good probability that people in upper management will lack any sort of empathy for you or your welfare and they tend to employ/promote people like themselves.
There are three things you need.
Firstly the ability to actively listen. Active listening is underrated, if you use it properly it allows you scan the environment for potential triggers or people who pose a threat. It alleviates the need to be hypervigilant which only makes you anxious.
Secondly practice processing information as you gather quickly. I would treat this like a performance sport the ability to take information quickly and process it.
Third and final is the ability to be resilient. You will make mistakes, its important to not be perturbed. NTs have an ability to let things wash off like water from a duck's back. Persistence and perseverance is important but learn from your mistakes.
If it means walking 10 steps to keep up with one step of your colleagues then make the effort, it all depends on how badly you want to work and keep a job.
In addition to these things, I pay attention to subtle nuances in the way my colleagues describe things and can typically gauge what their weak points are. I have found since the chimps don't accept you as one of their own, they will leave you alone if they fear you can cause more harm to them than they can cause harm to you.
I hate the world.
Who would have thought?
And there I was thinking you were angry with the world, as I am.
15 Oct 2020, 9:38 pm
Pepe wrote:
adromedanblackhole wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Isn't this simply a case of being on the spectrum?
Aren't most of us always on the outside looking in?
Oh, and: "There, there."
Aren't most of us always on the outside looking in?
Oh, and: "There, there."
Maybe? It's more than just outside looking in, it's usually very deliberately excluded in the most painful of ways. Because I tend to come across as disinterested and also expecting for the shun to happen. Because I'm disinterested it makes me people who does this b***h think she is and bam, shun ensues. Keep a friendly distance, they swarm and attack. Try to pretend to care, they swarm and attack. I'm tired of dealing with chimpanzees.
I literally just walk in the opposite direction away from "Chimps", wherever I can.
Do you know what a "Hikikomori" is?
It is a good strategy to use with people generally, who I see as essentially chimpanzees
And of course actual chimpanzees
Hikikomori seems a little extreme for me. I actually really quite like people when they behave like people and not ravenous, rabid monsters.
15 Oct 2020, 9:40 pm
adromedanblackhole wrote:
Pepe wrote:
adromedanblackhole wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Isn't this simply a case of being on the spectrum?
Aren't most of us always on the outside looking in?
Oh, and: "There, there."
Aren't most of us always on the outside looking in?
Oh, and: "There, there."
Maybe? It's more than just outside looking in, it's usually very deliberately excluded in the most painful of ways. Because I tend to come across as disinterested and also expecting for the shun to happen. Because I'm disinterested it makes me people who does this b***h think she is and bam, shun ensues. Keep a friendly distance, they swarm and attack. Try to pretend to care, they swarm and attack. I'm tired of dealing with chimpanzees.
I literally just walk in the opposite direction away from "Chimps", wherever I can.
Do you know what a "Hikikomori" is?
It is a good strategy to use with people generally, who I see as essentially chimpanzees
And of course actual chimpanzees
Hikikomori seems a little extreme for me. I actually really quite like people when they behave like people and not ravenous, rabid monsters.
Skunks.
What do you think about skunks?
15 Oct 2020, 9:43 pm
Pepe wrote:
Who would have thought?
And there I was thinking you were angry with the world, as I am.
And there I was thinking you were angry with the world, as I am.
I'm not sure if angry is the right word. Hurt by? Yes. Disappointed? Entirely. I really feel I embody the idea of this whole site in going out into the world there are so many of these chimpanzee-humans and I'm just wondering uhhh is this my home planet and where are my kind? I guess they are sitting behind their computers because they too aren't fond of dealing with the chimps. Just where are the safe human beings whose entire reason for being isn't to metaphorically rip other people's faces off in a show of dominance to pronounce themselves lord king of s**t mountain...
15 Oct 2020, 9:49 pm
adromedanblackhole wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Who would have thought?
And there I was thinking you were angry with the world, as I am.
And there I was thinking you were angry with the world, as I am.
I'm not sure if angry is the right word. Hurt by? Yes. Disappointed? Entirely. I really feel I embody the idea of this whole site in going out into the world there are so many of these chimpanzee-humans and I'm just wondering where are my kind? I guess they are sitting behind their computers because they too aren't fond of dealing with the chimps.
I have never gone off-topic in my life, but:
We aspies make up a very small percentage of the population, hence why this is "The Planet of the Apes."
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16 Oct 2020, 10:58 pm
malavois wrote:
Chimpanzees and bonobos are nearly genetically identical species. Chimps, who live in environments with resource scarcity and competition for land, food, and mating partners, have tendencies toward both cooperative social behavior and aggressive, violent, territorial, and even exploitative behavior. Bonobos, who live in more resource-abundant environments, demonstrate more peaceful, compassionate, generous, and welcoming behaviors. Both species are highly intelligent, organized, cooperative, aggressive, and sexually “promiscuous,” but the behaviors manifest differently according to the socioeconomic pressures of their environments.
Reason/logic led me to believe this decades ago.
malavois wrote:
Humans are just apes. We are apes with more developed brain function in certain areas, resulting from the introduction of fire and agriculture into the picture. But that’s all it is. Corporate environments are resource-scarce and your fellow chimps will shank you and everyone else to get that corner office or whatever. But if you aren’t in that environment, perhaps you will spend more time with bonobos.
I made that point in another thread.
malavois wrote:
Not to say that you necessarily have any control over your environment or access to economic goods and services, but if you want to make blanket statements about humanity, it would only be accurate to consider the range of environments that do exist. Maybe I believe more in the bonoboness of humanity because I work in the public sector with a bunch of nerds who don’t have the same drive for success as other people. It’s not always great, and it’s certainly nothing like the Aspie workplace paradise you envision, but I’m really glad I work there instead of at a bank or a tech company or even a school.
A minor league rat race, perhaps?
malavois wrote:
If your daily life is nothing but competitive undercutting and cruelty, I can’t imagine it would be easy to summon a more positive outlook. There’s no real advice to give. But there are bonobos out there.
Are they Committed Christian bonobos', by any chance?
