Getting haircut+shaved helped ... Now I am pissed

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Look like a chav; get treated like a chav.

Look posh; get treated posh.

That is just simple human nature.

I guess the question is why do chavs look different from poshs to begin with.

Logically, dressing well is all about self interest. Are you saying that poshs have more self interest than chavs? If so, why?

lol you're the master of overanalysing.

Dishevelled people look crazy, crazy people are unpredictable , sometimes even dangerous. It's not a huge leap to just avoid them.

Chavs are different, they groom themselves and wear trendy tracksuits...they try to look menacing on purpose.

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This is just a guess, but it is probably because they want to.I am saying no such thing.  I am saying that people treat you based on your appearance.  People who appear respectable get treated with respect.  People who look like crap get treated like crap.  It is human nature and cannot be changed.  Deal with it.

We have "chav-like" people in the US----but no "chavs," per se.

Just like we have "gopnik-like" people in the US---but no "gopniks." Gopniks are a Slavic institution.

The UK chavs are usually clean people----They, at least 10-15 years ago, liked to dress in Tommy Hilfiger-type clothes, and to have a "Caesar" haircut

I sense that the OP wants to be sort of a "bohemian"-type character while being in the sciences. I wouldn't make it as a "bohemian," especially if I don't take showers. My skin starts to itch, and my eyes start to burn, if I wait 24 hours or more before my next shower.

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And why do they want to? Do they want to be treated poorly? If so, why?

I realized, maybe at around 21, that it is useless to ponder such questions.....when I can be taking the "pondering" time to take my shower and shave.

Probably because they are too stupid to realize that how they look has a direct bearing on how they are treated.

Actually I haven’t heard of chavs up until reading his response and googling the word.

But the bigger question is this. Are you saying that there are subcultures where is it fashionable to dress poorly, and those same subcultures are criminal?

If so, then the “logical purpose” of dressing poorly would be to attract people from those subcultures. And people would assume that’s what I am doing.

But of course all of it is just my theorizing. What is your theory?



No, I am just too lazy, too in a hurry, etc.

My discussion about cultures is just an attempt to make a logical sense of why I am treated poorly.



In my case that’s not the case.

Although it’s true that when I start taking showers I notice I feel clean, and if I take them for a while and then stop, I feel dirty. So not taking them and not noticing anything is due to my senses adjusting to my being dirty.

Still, though, I won’t feel anything as concrete as itchy skin or burning eyes. Do you think it’s the flip side of sensory issues autistics have. I read that some autistics have a combination of over-sensitivity and under-sensitivity. Could it be that in my case it is exclusively the latter, without the former?

Now, going back to the question of other people. I read that there were some studies that people with Conduct Disorder have slightly higher electric resistance of their skin. Could it also be that such people have under-sensitivities too? If so, that would be one theory as to why criminal minded people are more likely to be unkept.

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But then the statistical correlation should be between a dress and intelligence rather than dress and behavior. It’s not necessarily true that less intelligent people behave poorly: what about learning disabilities?

With the same access to showers as non-criminals, and while not suffering from a mental illness where personal grooming is affected, criminals tend to be as clean as non-criminals.

People who don’t take showers usually are people with little or no access to showers. Or there are some with mental illness, or sensory difficulties….and even a few who just don’t want to be bothered, are “rushed,” etc.

There is the possibility that an intelligent person might be abstract-minded, and find an emphasis on personal grooming to be beneath their dignity.

WHY people choose their appearances is irrelevant.  The fact that your appearance influences how others treat you is all that matters.  Look respectable and you will be respected.  Simple human nature.  Stop trying to analyze it and just accept it.

Trotsky did okay…in his time.

Somebody looking like Trotsky today would stand out like a sore thumb.

Lenin, on the other hand, was very well-groomed.

Because there often is, so people will trust the statistics rather than take a chance. Most people know that not everyone who looks messy is dangerous, but unless they know the particular messy person approaching them, they can't know if they're trouble or not. This will result in to them thinking about statistics; what are the chances that this person is trouble? Statistically, drug users and the like are more likelier to be messy than not, so statistically, a messy person is likely to be trouble. This is why I wouldn't blame anyone for changing the side of the street if they came across a messy looking person.

As an example: my dad is harmless. He tends to look messy with his messy clothes and often poorly groomed beard, not to mention he's big, so I wouldn't blame anyone who'd want to cross the street when coming across him. I too would be wary if I came across a man who looked like him who I didn't know. Not everyone who looks like trouble is trouble, but if the options are to a) play it safe and potentially hurt someone's feelings and b) not play it safe and potentially get hurt myself, I'd choose a). And from what I've understood, so would you.



It could be due to:

1. A young person, like you in your twenties, might be simply seen as lacking life skills, and thus doesn't come across as being homeless as easily as an older person who would be expected to have learned life skills already. However, a smelly and messy person is still unpleasant to be around, which explains why people would avoid you even if they don't think you're homeless.

2. People did think you were homeless when you were in your twenties, but just never said it to your face.

Or something else, but these came to mind.

These days, unlike in the old days, if a person walks around looking dirty and disheveled, and has hair like Trotsky, that person would be thought of as being "mentally ill."