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16 May 2023, 11:14 am

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I have noticed that people who have good social skills tend to receive more respect and their opinions are more valued even if they are ignorant about the topics they are talking about or in general. That's frustrating too. People might not know specific individuals are autistic, but I think that if they sense that they are different in some way, they may be less inclined to give them the respect they deserve.


I was just saying the same on another site just now! Coincidence!

It depends on WHO you are instead of WHAT you say.

You can give the most sensible, best advice and information but people won't listen if you're not popular and well-liked.

Whereas popular, well-liked people can give the most stupid, worst information and people will slavishly follow it.

That explains the current state of the world doesn't it!


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16 May 2023, 12:54 pm

They undoubtedly already thought you were unusual. The label is just trivia.

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...I may have spent the last decade in the closet over having an ASD for no good reason -- that the condition was obvious to everyone and that I was only fooling myself.
Quite possible, but no reason for embarrassment. All that has changed is a new, useful topic of discussion has appeared.


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16 May 2023, 1:16 pm

Maybe they have been talking about it between themselves and wanted to see what happened when they labelled it out loud. Just to see what you said.


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16 May 2023, 1:26 pm

^
What DoubleRetired said. So you're outed. So what?

First off...its your own family you're talking about (not coworkers or like that). If you cant confide to your own family about something like this than -its your family thats messed up. Not you.

Second its probably like if Richard Simmons, were to "come out of the closet as being gay" (as if anyone ever thought that he was straight).



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16 May 2023, 7:00 pm

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Did you not want your family to know, Fnord, or are you just surprised that they knew?
I will put it this way:

I would rather they thought of me as their funny and slightly eccentric uncle / brother / cousin / father / husband than a crazy / ret*d / useless person who should be avoided at all costs.

True, I am not the most popular member of my family already, but why invite further angst and drama?



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16 May 2023, 7:15 pm

You haven’t told anyone in your family that you are on the spectrum?



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16 May 2023, 7:28 pm

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You haven’t told anyone in your family that you are on the spectrum?
No, and even if they ask, I will never confirm it.

I have seen how they treat people with disabilities, and I do not want them to treat me that way.



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16 May 2023, 7:44 pm

I probably wouldn’t have told my family if it wasn’t for the fact that they were pushing me to get tested to begin with.

My mom actually got huffy when I said that I didn’t think having ASD was a bad thing. :roll:

Apparently, it’s bad if you aren’t like everyone else.



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16 May 2023, 7:50 pm

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My mom actually got huffy when I said that I didn’t think having ASD was a bad thing.  Apparently, it’s bad if you aren’t like everyone else.
Conformity is both the foundation-stone and cap-stone of conservative ideology.  I thank God I am different.



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16 May 2023, 7:55 pm

I didn't exactly send announcements to my family (aunts, uncles, cousins) and I don't have nieces or nephews.
My family is spread out in five (!) countries and I barely talk to any of them.
The only family I have here in this country are two kids, my mum, and my brother.

I told my brother about myself and my daughter being ASD about a year after being tested.
It wasn't a secret, but it wasn't a big deal either.
He's likely ASD too but not remotely interested in being assessed.

We didn't bother telling my mum then, since she's in her 80s and still thinks autistic = ret*d.
My daughter told her a few times but she says my daughter's not ret*d.
She doesn't comment on me. 8)
Then she forgets again and my daughter has to explain it all over again next time.
Again - daughter is defended and I'm not.

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16 May 2023, 8:06 pm

I told MR on our first date, more than a month before he knew my surname or my address.
First things first. :lol:

I told a few friends straight away and got mixed results.
Some were like "everyone is a little autistic" :roll: .
Most were like "well that explains everything!" :skull:


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16 May 2023, 8:09 pm

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Many of us are not good at social games because we are on the autistic spectrum.  Being judged as creepy, robot-like, or just plain weird because of autism seems to further taint our reputations as reliable and credible sources of information -- until those glorious "I told you so" moments when we get to shake our heads and walk away from the self-inflicted disasters that befell the people who ignored our advice.[/color]

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They have you "pegged". We have others pegged also - which relatives are generous, kind, snotty, confident, insecure, energetic, thoughtful, dismissive etc. Will they respect you in the morning? Just as much or little as now? Putting aside misconceptions of ASD, it depends on the integrity of each person. I totally get it though - at my new workplace I am Out about my neurodiversity, but haven't said which ND, since ASD is one of the lesser socially acceptable ones at this time. ADHD is somewhat in.

Tricky nephew. Did you have a sense of the "risk" when you responded. Yesterday I was vulnerable during a conversation and the whiplash for me is embarrassment and an instinct to hide. Another good night's sleep and I that wave will pass.



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16 May 2023, 8:28 pm

I never told any friends. I don’t have any. My parents told all of their JW family, friends, and acquaintances. They tried to pass it off as an excuse for why I’m not religious. (Since I’m autistic, I’m “not all there.”) I just cannot win. :lol:

I feel like I should fulfill my destiny and be a hermit in a cave somewhere, preferably while learning the ways of the Force.



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16 May 2023, 8:44 pm

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I never told any friends. I don’t have any. My parents told all of their JW family, friends, and acquaintances. They tried to pass it off as an excuse for why I’m not religious. (Since I’m autistic, I’m “not all there.”) I just cannot win. :lol:

I feel like I should fulfill my destiny and be a hermit in a cave somewhere, preferably while learning the ways of the Force.


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You poor thing. :hail:

I'm trying to think who my friends were.

- My exbf who has a frontal lobe injury and was too stoned to listen to me
- My son's friend's mother who used to come ring my doorbell uninvited
- A lady friend from work who drove me to stroke rehab when I broke my foot

I'm not exactly a social butterfly either. :lol:


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16 May 2023, 9:39 pm

At least you're not an openly autistic whose 'model' for autistics is to mask and advices every autistics out there to 'mask' as a sign of 'improvement'. :roll:

The worst thing is normalizing what isn't actually normal -- which is the survivorship bias of the so called successful.


I understand the pain of having a choice not to disclose, but found out in ways not as intended regardless of the reason -- whether being tricked, being too stressed out or is under influence.



Personally, I'm all about choices.

I wouldn't mind being outed if I choose the outcome of that and the basis of how I intended.
But not when I got outed in ways not intended, on the basis not intended.
Why emotional dysregulation is my biggest threat.

I've recently been questioned and complained over as being rude and rough.
In my mind, I was just being jest, busy and multitasking on my way on the 10th hour of work.

But no -- it had to be another of those ninnies whose expecting this concept of respect because they have a fricking job that had nothing to do with me. :roll:
And it mattered because it's one of those quiet but opinionated types with a job that demands that level of honor.

Other than that, I have no illusions about 'fooling' people that I'm not on the spectrum.
Only that I hate, hate, hate my expressions being misinterpreted as rude or worse simply because of my trouble inner state.

But enough about me.


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You can give the most sensible, best advice and information but people won't listen if you're not popular and well-liked.

Whereas popular, well-liked people can give the most stupid, worst information and people will slavishly follow it.

The worse part is saying an idea and no one listens. Then someone else saying the same thing, even on verbatim, everyone celebrates.

The speaker mattered more than the content.
The one who has the speaker with the more quantity
of audience mattered more than the quality.

I've realized this -- in the world of human social 'physics'.

It's like... The book and it's writings is not what makes it successful -- it's the hype and marketing.
Overall authors do the work of latter as twice than the former to be more successful.

Doesn't matter if your artwork is a masterpiece -- no one's looking at it, no one's looking for it.


Consensus reality my a*se -- the consensus is the unhealthy norms of the neurotypical culture and I'm not one of them or in it.

If the consensus is that autistics are (insert whatever current reputation here)... No surprises if one would rather go elsewhere.
It takes few or more generations to overturn that crap.

And why do they drag me into their damnable mess?
If the basis is because I'm a human, it's no wonder why I don't like humanity and having one myself.


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16 May 2023, 10:08 pm

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Oh well . . . gonna just act like nothing happened and that Kevin and I were just having a good laugh over a joke at my expense.


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I agree. That's a good way to go about dealing with the situation.


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