"you're always gonna be different to everyone else"

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28 Jun 2024, 12:39 am

Well I was diagnosed with it after I was diagnosed with schiztotypal pd and it was like a dispute diagnosis but I don't even know if its official or just an opinion sonim always thinking that maybe the first diagnosis was correct

In any case I'm always gonna have it


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28 Jun 2024, 2:21 am

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Sorry about your wife man

I'm thinking that I've just put my diagnosis away because my daughter has autism and I've put all my energy into sorting her life out and she is sorted now and happy

I've just forgot about myself. Been working working working and not actually thinking that I'm any different to anyone else because if I think that way then I'm scared that I won't be able to survive


That is great to hear about your daughter.

Yes, I did that as well.
Too much working and not enough thinking about myself!

But,your daughter needs you to be part of her life, and not just working to support her.
You need to work on yourself, too!



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28 Jun 2024, 4:00 am

babybird wrote:
Did anyone ever tell you this or has it come as a shock to you as you've got older

I'm only asking because I've only just realised this myself today and I'm a bit aggrieved because no one bothered to warn me about this

I don't remember anybody telling me. I did well at my first school so everybody thought I had some exceptional talent, and that led me to think I was different in a good way. Later on I began to feel that I was prone to running out of friends, and I started to notice other weaknesses like that. It took me a long time to see that I had executive function problems because I did so well with science and technology.

I also felt critical of mainstream people and figured that eccentric types were more interesting and valuable to me. So I never thought of being different as a bad thing. The diagnosis of ASD made me aware that I was in a group who had impairments and were widely seen as weird and inferior, and that messed with my self-confidence to some extent.



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28 Jun 2024, 5:53 am

My shrinks gonna help me with this. Just spoke to him now

He said that he's had loads of people tested for it in his career and he's always been spot on with it but he never would have thought it with me...it's no wonder I'm confused

I told him that I'm a mess ATM and he's gonna help me because there's also the dissociative disorder and the PTSD so he thinks this is why the Asperger's is so hard for me to recognise because of all the other things that are going on


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28 Jun 2024, 7:47 pm

I was always told this, but in a way that expressed it wasn't a bad thing either.


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29 Jun 2024, 4:50 am

I hope I'm not sounding too repetitive! I always knew I was regarded as weird by fellow students at school and even after school. I never really knew why I could never really make friends like everyone else did. I went through my whole life like this, by myself. I remember thinking when I was young that I might be autistic but I quickly dismissed it. Largely because I was doing well in other areas. I have a degree and post graduate diploma and held down a reasonable job for 34 years. I thought autism was a disability and I did not appear to be disabled!

I was diagnosed with autism just this year. It's been a real revelation! Suddenly, my life is just starting to make sense! I have dealt with anxiety and depression my whole life and saw a psychologist for several years who did not diagnose me. It was only when I changed psychologist that I was tested.

I've been learning to live with myself since I was a teenager. I think I will always be different but at least now, I know why!



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29 Jun 2024, 6:15 am

MagicMeerkat wrote:
I was always told this, but in a way that expressed it wasn't a bad thing either.


Well when I spoke to my therapist yesterday he said the same thing


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29 Jun 2024, 6:30 am

"Allism"
"They assume that the independent actions, facial expressions, voice inflections, and factual statements of others are intended to be hostile, argumentative, or condescending. May suffer from delusions of persecution and believe that others are judging them or attacking them; difficulty understanding the motives of others; believes the thoughts and opinions of people are related to his/her own participation and existence in the world."

the irony is that most of us (AS or NT) would assume we are all like this, finally identified what unites us.



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29 Jun 2024, 6:46 am

cyberdad wrote:
"Allism"
"They assume that the independent actions, facial expressions, voice inflections, and factual statements of others are intended to be hostile, argumentative, or condescending. May suffer from delusions of persecution and believe that others are judging them or attacking them; difficulty understanding the motives of others; believes the thoughts and opinions of people are related to his/her own participation and existence in the world."

the irony is that most of us (AS or NT) would assume we are all like this, finally identified what unites us.


:lol: strangely there's some comfort in that statement


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29 Jun 2024, 10:34 am

psychedup wrote:
I hope I'm not sounding too repetitive! I always knew I was regarded as weird by fellow students at school and even after school. I never really knew why I could never really make friends like everyone else did. I went through my whole life like this, by myself. I remember thinking when I was young that I might be autistic but I quickly dismissed it. Largely because I was doing well in other areas. I have a degree and post graduate diploma and held down a reasonable job for 34 years. I thought autism was a disability and I did not appear to be disabled!

I was diagnosed with autism just this year. It's been a real revelation! Suddenly, my life is just starting to make sense! I have dealt with anxiety and depression my whole life and saw a psychologist for several years who did not diagnose me. It was only when I changed psychologist that I was tested.

I've been learning to live with myself since I was a teenager. I think I will always be different but at least now, I know why!


Congrats on your diagnosis and I hope it helps you in your future pursuits

I'm feeling a bit more positive about things now so at least there's that


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29 Jun 2024, 5:28 pm

I think Allistics:
A. Are herd animals
B. Have a high tolerance for imprecision and inaccuracy


For instance:

They also have special interests, but their special interests are only OK if a lot of people in the herd share the interest. (What possible sense is there in being very, very interested in the private lives of celebrities?! But that's on the "approved" list.)

They assume other people understand what they are thinking. (Though it probably doesn't often occur to them to check what the other person thought they were thinking...why wouldn't they know? By default and without verification they assume other people know what they meant.)


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29 Jun 2024, 7:33 pm

Double Retired wrote:
I think Allistics:
A. Are herd animals

This is of course a functional adaptation hard-wired in our NT DNA.

Double Retired wrote:
B. Have a high tolerance for imprecision and inaccuracy

Contextual, I believe it's related to levels of "expedient allowance" whether it be for technical purposes or in describing things in conversation. As such there is a permissible error range and that's going to vary based on purpose. I assume the 99.9% of things we use, designed and built by NTs also follow this principle but the margins of error are less flexible due to industry standards.

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They also have special interests, but their special interests are only OK if a lot of people in the herd share the interest. (What possible sense is there in being very, very interested in the private lives of celebrities?! But that's on the "approved" list.)

There are plenty of NT introverts (estimates range from 25-40%) with special interests who might disagree with you.

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They assume other people understand what they are thinking. (Though it probably doesn't often occur to them to check what the other person thought they were thinking...why wouldn't they know? By default and without verification they assume other people know what they meant.)

Again this is a functional adaptation related to being social animals. In order to survive predators in the jungles of Africa or hunting mammoths on the plains of Europe, our ancestors needed to be able to be able to read each other's thoughts hence the saying "we are on the same page" becomes essential.



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29 Jun 2024, 9:09 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Double Retired wrote:
I think Allistics:
A. Are herd animals

This is of course a functional adaptation hard-wired in our NT DNA.

Double Retired wrote:
B. Have a high tolerance for imprecision and inaccuracy

Contextual, I believe it's related to levels of "expedient allowance" whether it be for technical purposes or in describing things in conversation. As such there is a permissible error range and that's going to vary based on purpose. I assume the 99.9% of things we use, designed and built by NTs also follow this principle but the margins of error are less flexible due to industry standards.
You agree with me.

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They also have special interests, but their special interests are only OK if a lot of people in the herd share the interest. (What possible sense is there in being very, very interested in the private lives of celebrities?! But that's on the "approved" list.)

There are plenty of NT introverts (estimates range from 25-40%) with special interests who might disagree with you.
Extroverts have the same interests as everyone else but introverts have unusual interests? That seems like an unlikely divide.



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They assume other people understand what they are thinking. (Though it probably doesn't often occur to them to check what the other person thought they were thinking...why wouldn't they know? By default and without verification they assume other people know what they meant.)

Again this is a functional adaptation related to being social animals. In order to survive predators in the jungles of Africa or hunting mammoths on the plains of Europe, our ancestors needed to be able to be able to read each other's thoughts hence the saying "we are on the same page" becomes essential.

Are they really able to read each other's thoughts? Or, do they just get it right enough of the time that they assume they always can?


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29 Jun 2024, 9:17 pm

Double Retired wrote:
Extroverts have the same interests as everyone else but introverts have unusual interests? That seems like an unlikely divide.

Introverts are less likely to be held to judgement for their choice of special interests as they are happy to keep them to themselves. In contrast extroverts are more likely to seek validation for their choices unless they have high levels of narcissism and enjoy drawing attention to themselves for making strange choices

Double Retired wrote:
Are they really able to read each other's thoughts? Or, do they just get it right enough of the time that they assume they always can?

Probably the latter, "reading thoughts" is not meant to be exact, just approximate enough to get by.



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30 Jun 2024, 11:11 am

I suspect a lot of extroverts are so used to choosing whatever is socially safe for an interest that they don't even realize they are doing it. It's like an automatic program they have to not invest in an interest that could lead to social ostracization.



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30 Jun 2024, 1:25 pm

babybird wrote:
Did anyone ever tell you this or has it come as a shock to you as you've got older

I'm only asking because I've only just realised this myself today and I'm a bit aggrieved because no one bothered to warn me about this

You sound shocked, maybe scared. Why exactly?
I always felt different. I always felt that nobody could understand what was going on in my mind. And I am always been attracted by different people. The AuDHD diagnosis, 2 years ago was a good news. I wished I had known earlier. At least I was similar to someone. At least on this planet there is someone speaking my language. We are still different, but we can talk.
What do you think that you will never do/feel/be because you are different?