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15 Oct 2024, 9:42 pm

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Giving my 2 cents opinion I would have thought SBS is really something that happens to young babies rather than walking toddlers that don’t cry in their cots every minute leading to exhausted parents shaking the child out of anger.

Of course the child could have had early autism themselves causing them to exhibit more distressed behaviour.

Then again the father could just be a monster who abused and killed his child and invented the autism symptoms for a more lenient sentence.

I suspect it’s quite easy to fake autism in prison as an adult there’s not exactly any biological markers just a tick sheet questions and observation.

Prisoners used to fake madness which is tricky over a long time, as it’s probably easy to catch fakers out after a while, but hf autism is probably a walk in the park by comparison.



But they're always caught but then junk science is also used like how is a inmate faking a intellectual impairment for example when their school records show it and their medical history records? Were they always faking it since childhood? No one keeps up this charade long.


ID can be unproved easily by checking education records, madness too, for a person to be mad they have to be locked in psychosis i.e the Martians are coming.

A clever psychiatrist would simply trick & test the subject into revealing that he was in the real world not locked in another.

So madness is difficult to fake for this reason with the faker accidently slipping up by entering the real world then quickly disappearing into fake madness.

There isnt much challenges with hf autism, if even tic tokers have done it even self diagnosing then revealing later they had something else.

I'm sure a prisoner facing death could do it

Sigh, not this nonsense again. It's virtually impossible to get off the hook due to insanity, it's tried in less than 1% of all cases just because of how hard it is to get accepted.It's not enough to be mentally ill, it only applies if you specific conditions related to not knowing it was wrong apply. In other words, being mentally ill at most might get you life in prison rather than the death penalty, it's highly unlikely to result being committed to an asylum. Even if you are found to be not guilty by reason of insanity, you don't just get to walk away, you're commonly sent to a psychiatric hospital until whatever time the psychiatrists deem you to be ready to return to society. John Hinckley Jr., shot and nearly killed Reagan in 1981, and he was only released in 2016 with supervision.

As for the autism bit, he's under supervision 24 hours a day and whatever traits had been missed were probably more apparent as prison is extremely stressful and overstimulating for most people. This whole bit about HF not being much of a challenge is absolute bunk. I wish you'd stop making comments about what that's like as you're not exactly the most open minded type on the subject. It's hardly easy.

The diagnosis is mostly relevant in terms of it not being constitutional to execute the developmentally disabled and issues related to the fairness of the trial that he was convicted at.



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16 Oct 2024, 1:59 am

I never meant get off as in walk free rather get off from the death penalty.

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You kind of answered the question why someone would have a strong motivation to fake autism


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16 Oct 2024, 5:16 am

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Ah, but IS he "Developmentally Disabled"?

And who says so?


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16 Oct 2024, 7:53 am

Remember a well known highly publicised news event that happened in the 90’s

A British teenager went to US on a gap year to work as an au pare looking after a US family baby.

The child died she was accused of SBS and there was a big trial and international interest.

Think she got off in the end but remember an animated lawyer standing in court shaking an invisible baby showing what they were accusing her of.

It all seemed unlikely and not really plausible at the time.

It’s probably happened a few times but seems more like the psychiatric and child protection services latching onto some theory thats most often not true.

I’m not referring to child abuse here just SBS if he bashed her up in different ways he deserves to be punished severely whatever he’s been diagnosed with.


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16 Oct 2024, 9:20 am

^ That would be [Wikipedia] The Louise Woodward case


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16 Oct 2024, 10:41 am

carlos55 wrote:
I never meant get off as in walk free rather get off from the death penalty.

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. The diagnosis is mostly relevant in terms of it not being constitutional to execute the developmentally disabled


You kind of answered the question why someone would have a strong motivation to fake autism


Which is completely beside the point. It's virtually impossible to use these things for any sort of useful defense because of the amount of bigotry and suspicion that folks are just claiming it to get off the hook or to get a reduced sentence.



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16 Oct 2024, 2:09 pm

It's all over the media now that this man is innocent of the crime.

This dude also has a criminal history and got out in 2000 but he has a history of doing domestic abuse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Roberson_case


Look under "daughter's death and murder trial."

But only this source mentions his violent background. I cant find other sources to support these claims. Even if his kid did die of undiagnosed sepsis, he is still innocent of the crime if her being shook didn't cause her death. He should be commuted to life instead and it's a win win. I don't like abusers.

Apparently he has once gotten a stay of execution in 2016 when his daughter's medical history was brought up to question shaken baby syndrome.

I also can't find photos anywhere of her injuries someone on reddit claimed they saw about this case.

Autism is still no excuse to abuse a kid from your "meltdowns."

This man could be using his daughter's medical issues as a shield to stop the execution and to maintain his innocence.


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17 Oct 2024, 4:15 am

As of 17 Oct 24, I am glad this man got a reprieve. This is not about his innocence or guilt; it is about the death penalty being barbaric. What a horrible way for a so-called civilized country to act. Most of the rest of the world has abolished the death penalty as punishment. Some of the major countries that still use this are Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, China ,Japan(I was surprised to see them in this group) and the US.



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17 Oct 2024, 2:10 pm

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As of 17 Oct 24, I am glad this man got a reprieve. This is not about his innocence or guilt; it is about the death penalty being barbaric. What a horrible way for a so-called civilized country to act. Most of the rest of the world has abolished the death penalty as punishment. Some of the major countries that still use this are Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, China ,Japan(I was surprised to see them in this group) and the US.

The US is going state by state on it. It's already gone from much of the US, but is still in use in other areas. I don't think we're still going to be executing people in 50 years. I just don't know how long it will take.



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17 Oct 2024, 5:45 pm

Aspinator wrote:
As of 17 Oct 24, I am glad this man got a reprieve. This is not about his innocence or guilt; it is about the death penalty being barbaric. What a horrible way for a so-called civilized country to act. Most of the rest of the world has abolished the death penalty as punishment. Some of the major countries that still use this are Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, China ,Japan(I was surprised to see them in this group) and the US.



It was put on temporary hold. We don't know if it's still going yo happen.

https://thehill.com/homenews/4939972-ro ... y-blocked/


Texas refuses to halt it or give him clemency.


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17 Oct 2024, 5:48 pm

They're really fighting it.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local ... b6d5e81ecd



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Just hours before Robert Roberson is set to be executed Thursday night, the U.S. Supreme Court denied Roberson's request for a stay of execution.

Just minutes before that, Judge Jessica Mangrum granted a temporary restraining order filed by Texas lawmakers against the Texas Department of Criminal Justice that sought to halt his execution.


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17 Oct 2024, 5:50 pm

I've heard the name but I'm not that familiar with the story.


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17 Oct 2024, 10:20 pm

His execution has been put on hold till next week for the hearing.


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18 Oct 2024, 2:11 am

@leaguegirl

If he is innocent of the crime, why do you think his sentence should be commuted to life?
Makes no sense.



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18 Oct 2024, 3:42 am

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Robert Roberson.  Are you familiar with this story?
Yes.

Robert Leslie Roberson III (born November 10, 1966) is an American convicted murderer currently on death row for the murder of his two-year-old daughter in 2002. Roberson was reported to have assaulted his daughter severely and caused her death, and he was therefore convicted of capital murder and sentenced to death in 2003, and had lost his appeals since. (Wikipedia)

Autism should never be used to mitigate a murder conviction, nor should it ever be used as a "Get Out of Jail Free" card.


Yeah idk I have a hard time seeing how autism is an excuse for shaking a baby generally, unless they also had a severe mental disability to where they should not have been handed a baby in the first place because they aren't mentally there enough to know how to treat a baby I could see that being more on the parents but does not seem the case here. I have autism and met my boyfriends sisters baby and never once thought of picking her up and violently shaking her even though I don't really know how to interact with a baby I know you at least have to be very gentle with them and I think most autistic people know that. So does not seem like a valid excuse. Still I disagree with the death pentalty so I don't agree with that part I think they should just get life in prison, but yeah autism is not an excuse for that I don't think.


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18 Oct 2024, 3:22 pm

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If he is innocent of the crime, why do you think his sentence should be commuted to life?
Makes no sense.



For child abuse of course unless you want to call the abused liars as well who testified against him in court. All they have to do now is prove she did not die from abuse but died from her medical complications she had.


I hate abusers.


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