The Moon Landing Never Happened, a serious discussion

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^ It's not the exact incident I remember actually; there was a different one I remember where some guy started talking to Buzz Lightyear at some convention and questioning him on it, and Buzz started going crazy on him like he was completely insecure about it beyond what was reasonable. I have to remember it or find it but it was completely ridiculous.

Hmmm, they wouldn't tolerate though Trump or a "MAGA" reacting like that, to being challenged, or thinking that was acceptable.

Some articles debunking moon-hoax conspiracy claims:

- Moon landing conspiracy theories, debunked - Royal Museums, Greenwich, UK

- How do we know that we went to the Moon? - Institute of Physics (UK and Ireland)

- 6 Apollo Moonlanding conspiracy theories and how to defeat them - BBC, August 30, 2023

- Moon Landing Denial Fired an Early Antiscience Conspiracy Theory Shot - Scientific American, Sep 14, 2023.

- Fox TV and the Apollo Moon Hoax - Bad Astronomy, February 13, 2001 (referenced in the above Scientific American article)

EDIT: The 4th article in the list above, the Scientific American article, does not contain much in the way of actual debunking. It is more of a general commentary about conspiracy theories. But it is where I found a link to the 5th article, which does contain substantive debunking.

It's been ponted out earlier in the thread that neither Russia, China or any other of the adversaries of the US have at any point made any claims that there was not a moon landing. For any reasonable person the discussion stops there.

Yeah, like I said, none of the major adversaries may have questioned the Moon Landing as they were more than happy to disengage from stupid wasteful spending on Outer Space. In any case, who's going to fly up there and prove this wrong, exactly ?


In the 4th article though, the "proof" is that no one can question the Moon Landing, because then it's related to Anti-Covid, Anti-Vax, Donald Trump, and the slippery slope of this.... Is this like the modern Catholic Church and Spanish Inquisition ? It's exactly stuff like this that makes me more think I'm on the right track, especially like with what we've seen in recent years of "don't question the science" ? And also, it wouldn't exactly make sense for MAGAs to question this if MAGAs were not approaching this with some legitimacy and integrity, as wouldn't MAGAs be questioning what's basically the achievements of straight white hetero men, back in the 60s, and completely pouring cold water on this ?

In general though, I seriously think the "proof" of the lamestream science on this is actually pretty weak, as they have some rocks that could come from anywhere, mirrors they say they installed up there, but who knows, and the whole thing is a strawman that they claim they best argument against them is "why doesn't the flag flutter in the wind"... Oh look, there's A POLE RUNNING THROUGH THE TOP.... Oooooh ! ! I don't know, I'm just not terribly impressed, all things considered.

Could be, we don't even know if the retro-reflectors are even on the Moon, or if they are there they were just left by the non-manned missions.... I think honestly the bigger question though is why someone like me who used to NEVER question something like the Moon Landing back in a year like 2004 or 2005 or so and never even thought about this, now nearly-instinctively doubts and questions everything about Western "science".... I've been at the point for awhile whenever liberal "experts" talk I literally don't care at-all what they say.

At a certain point there may have been a critical juncture or lynchpin where they gave up on manned-missions, at least what was available for public consumption, and went to just filming it to say they did it..... and then after 1972 just cut bait and run and said the entire thing was prohibitively too expensive and too ambitious to explain it all away. It may have always been too Invariably-fatal at this development of human technology to journey through and beyond the Van Allen Radiation Belts, anyway, and these distances are just impossible and landing on and taking off from a foreign body also beyond the technical ability - and all subsequent manned space travel has been manageably close to earth.