Anyone Here Like Older Music Better Than Modern Music?

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Yesterday, 8:17 pm

Both, old music is groovy (good memories) and new music is also groovy (new memories).



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Yesterday, 8:21 pm

Mikurotoro92 wrote:
Yes I cannot STAND modern country music!! !

It's all so contrived & mediocre songs about sex, love, marriage, children, beer, whiskey, trucks etc!

I prefer video game music because it is far superior to any of the modern trash on the mainstream radio stations!



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Yesterday, 10:04 pm

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Yes, but there was a lot of stuff that was memorable. The idea of needing your playlists to know what you were listening to just was not a thing in the past. You might forget a few songs, but you'd probably have a decent list you can remember. That's most certainly not the case now. Musical complexity and variety is far less common than it was even 20 years ago.


People don't need playlists, they're just a tool that makes it easier to access songs. It's not that different from a juke box, except it's personalized.

Musical complexity is likely at a high right now. Show me an old song with the technical complexity of a typical tech-death song.

Musical variety is also at an all time high, at least based on how many genres/subgenres/microgenres currently exist.

Your criticisms don't hold water.

You're entitled to your opinion, but the fact that people can't remember without a playlist is pretty damning. And the fact there's a bunch of random music out there that exists is not the same thing as it being at all accessible. You didn't have to go on an expedition to find a variety of music in the past.



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Yesterday, 10:10 pm

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
You're entitled to your opinion, but the fact that people can't remember without a playlist is pretty damning. And the fact there's a bunch of random music out there that exists is not the same thing as it being at all accessible. You didn't have to go on an expedition to find a variety of music in the past.


No, back in the day people were much happier with Top 40 or rock radio spoon-feeding them whatever crap the labels wanted to push.

You've always needed to put in some effort if you actually wanted to develop your own tastes in music, and if you don't there's plenty of people (and now algorithms) to spoon-feed you whatever crap they've decided you now like.

You're not actually making an argument about older music being superior, you're making an argument that more people were lazy about exploring what was available, despite there also being a lot less available. How is that an argument that reflects positively on older eras of music? :scratch:


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Today, 12:07 am

funeralxempire wrote:
MatchboxVagabond wrote:
You're entitled to your opinion, but the fact that people can't remember without a playlist is pretty damning. And the fact there's a bunch of random music out there that exists is not the same thing as it being at all accessible. You didn't have to go on an expedition to find a variety of music in the past.


No, back in the day people were much happier with Top 40 or rock radio spoon-feeding them whatever crap the labels wanted to push.

You've always needed to put in some effort if you actually wanted to develop your own tastes in music, and if you don't there's plenty of people (and now algorithms) to spoon-feed you whatever crap they've decided you now like.

You're not actually making an argument about older music being superior, you're making an argument that more people were lazy about exploring what was available, despite there also being a lot less available. How is that an argument that reflects positively on older eras of music? :scratch:

The argument I'm making is that it wasn't compulsory to spend all your free time trawling record stores in order to come across a variety of music the way that it is now. Now, you can have whatever opinion of that you like, but you're being naive if you think the normies are spending large amounts of time seeking out obscure tracks and artists that reflect the broader spectrum of musical complexity. And Taylor Swift just happens to be so much better than all of it that people will spend that much on tickets to see her play. That's just not consistent. Because, that is incredibly hard to believe when most of them can't even be bothered to go a few icons down the page on YT to get to their subscriber tab rather than just accepting the slop that the YT algorithm is pushing and just about every video featuring music from last century is full of young people complaining about how crap the current music is.

It's always possible that I'm wrong, but if the standard here is that there's somebody out there that's good and there's musical complexity to be had, if you're willing to make a serious project of it, I'm sorry, that's a crap standard to have, because people aren't doing that. We went through a long period where people were using streaming services as their primary source of music and just buying the tracks they like out of the ones available on ITMS. That doesn't exactly scream musical discernment or we're going to be making a project of finding cool music.

Sigh, but whatever, it's not really worth this arguing if you can't grok the notion that people are just not going to be listening to most of this music 50 years in the future the way that we do of music from the '70s and likely will be of the '90s in the 2040s.



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Today, 1:12 am

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
The argument I'm making is that it wasn't compulsory to spend all your free time trawling record stores in order to come across a variety of music the way that it is now. Now, you can have whatever opinion of that you like, but you're being naive if you think the normies are spending large amounts of time seeking out obscure tracks and artists that reflect the broader spectrum of musical complexity. And Taylor Swift just happens to be so much better than all of it that people will spend that much on tickets to see her play. That's just not consistent. Because, that is incredibly hard to believe when most of them can't even be bothered to go a few icons down the page on YT to get to their subscriber tab rather than just accepting the slop that the YT algorithm is pushing and just about every video featuring music from last century is full of young people complaining about how crap the current music is.

It's always possible that I'm wrong, but if the standard here is that there's somebody out there that's good and there's musical complexity to be had, if you're willing to make a serious project of it, I'm sorry, that's a crap standard to have, because people aren't doing that. We went through a long period where people were using streaming services as their primary source of music and just buying the tracks they like out of the ones available on ITMS. That doesn't exactly scream musical discernment or we're going to be making a project of finding cool music.

Sigh, but whatever, it's not really worth this arguing if you can't grok the notion that people are just not going to be listening to most of this music 50 years in the future the way that we do of music from the '70s and likely will be of the '90s in the 2040s.


I don't think normies are investing huge amounts of effort into pursuing obscure music, but I do think they're prone to getting sent down rabbit holes and coming back with a few favourites, even if they only explore those rabbit holes superficially.

Younger people glazing old stuff while disregarding new stuff isn't a new phenomenon. I was one of those kids.

I don't think what's popular does a good job of representing what is available, so crap being popular is irrelevant when it comes to the quality of what's being produced. It's easier than ever to gain at least some degree of popularity in any obscure style than it was when you had to rely on word of mouth, or putting up posters, or tape trading, etc. It's easier to participate in all sorts of outsider music. It's almost certain that 10 or 100 times more recorded music is being produced than ever before, so it's almost inevitable that more quality music is being produced. Saying music is lower quality because you're exposed to less quality music is placing the blame on the wrong variable.

I also think nostalgia informs the idea that people will care about classic rock in 50 years, but not Taylor Swift. I don't believe either will stand the test of time in the long run. Most music is disposable, it's just a matter of time scale.


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Depends on the music, for a while I was more of a metalhead, so I mostly liked anything that was metal. But now I have moved on to have a much more varied taste, like I like all kinds of music. I think the only real genre I could not find anything I like in is like modern country or whatever. I just remember as a young metalhead older metalheads would say eventually you will branch out and listen to more than you thought you would...and I was like BS only metal I'm a metalhead bla, and now in my 30's I understand what they meant.

But idk I like a lot of good new music, but I do love a lot of old stuff like fleetwood mac, pink floyd, hell even the beatles like I do still like listening to those old bands from before I was born at times. But idk there is always a lot of good new music...maybe not the super popular stuff but you can still find some good bands even these days. The key is to look away from just the super popular artists because yeah so much other stuff out there if you care to listen.


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I'm wondering if younger people listen to old music?



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Today, 2:21 am

cyberdora wrote:
I'm wondering if younger people listen to old music?

I'm sure some of them do.



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Today, 2:24 am

I've seen youtube videos of Ella Fitzgerald, Dionne Warwick and even Fats Domino and amazed to see young people commenting on how great his music is...I'm sure whose grandparents were probably in diapers when this music was created.



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Today, 2:26 am

I sometimes listen to Bessie Smith, mostly because Indian Summer used segments of a few songs of hers as interludes.


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Today, 2:37 am

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Like, I Mean, I LOVE 80's And 90's Music, But I DESPISE Stuff Like Chappel Roan And Melanie Martinez. Even When It Comes To K-Pop, I Heavily Prefer Earlier Gen 1 Stuff Such As Baby V.O.X And S.E.S Over Trash Like Newjeans. And When My Younger Sister Asks Me About If I Know A New Song That's Trending And I Reply With "No", She Says I'm "Living Under A Rock." Is This Normal With Us Autistics? 8O


Chappel Roan is a f*****g as*hole, seriously idk I don't listen to her music but she always so annoying. LIke t here are problems of workers not getting paid enough like workers who do work. and so she complains of why don't influencers make fair wages like people just need to think of the poor influencers, and its like shut up chapel being an actor or th at kind of thing is a choice and if you do it by choice but cannot handle it juust at least quit trying to partake in conversation about real workers who do hard labor all day, like shut up chappel sometimes. She like everyone is mad I didn't take a stance so I am giong to blow up that I didn't take a stance and its juust like good god lady, juust shut up already you're annoying. Idk how LGBTQ friendly you are, I hate your art and don't care much for your attitude. LIke idk she takes real issues and tries to baby it down, but yeah then that does not put across a very good messege.


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